daveyboy66 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, rickygoo said: That's a word I'd possibly take issue with. same here...at the end of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swfc-dan Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 As soon as we decided to pay up the millions and therefore sign hardly anyone else of note, I knew it was a huge mistake that would cost us long term. Rhodes wasn't the same player last year for us, he wasn't the same for Middlesborough so I wasn't keen on him coming for the money required. We saw he wasn't the same last year, bottling the penalty was unforgivable- and yet we still paid the money over the summer! That money should have been spend on 4-5 quality players to improve the squad throughout! If there was no way to back out of the deal then it was a brainless deal in the first place. Either way Chansiri is hugely at fault for wasting all those transfer funds on one man. Failing to properly strengthen the defense over the summer was unforgivable and is showing itself now. Joost is still young and not battlehardened in this league and should not be relied on, nor Loovens who is past it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 1 minute ago, daveyboy66 said: same here...at the end of the season Yep - Palace beat Chelsea so these things happen. I'm relatively sanguine about what goes on on the pitch. I'm an optimistic pessimist - things will probably turn out bobbar but so what? I'll follow Wednesday whatever - although I don't like shelling out £500 plus a year to get bored at games. It's the bigger picture about how the club is being run that has always bothered me. And there are legitimate questions to ask about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, rickygoo said: Yep - Palace beat Chelsea so these things happen. I'm relatively sanguine about what goes on on the pitch. I'm an optimistic pessimist - things will probably turn out bobbar but so what? I'll follow Wednesday whatever - although I don't like shelling out £500 plus a year to get bored at games. It's the bigger picture about how the club is being run that has always bothered me. And there are legitimate questions to ask about that. I know it's old fashioned unsurprisingly, but I always judge each season when it's finished...I remember Watford and Palace going up when they've been in the bottom five in December Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almat Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 1 hour ago, pgmetcalf said: I know let's just fold the club then huh? It's obvious that's what some people are desperate for What the heck are you banging on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiejohn Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Let's not turn this into a witch hunt though DC has made mistakes most have been made with good intentions, yes he knows little about football and some of the business decisions are baffling but he genuinely wants us to do well and progress and has spent millions to try to achieve that. any suggestions he is ripping us off are wide of the mark what we are putting in is being more than matched by what he is putting in, if he was selling players off right left and centre and not replacing them then we could accuse him of it but he isn't, guilty of bad decisions yes guilty of negligence no. He needs proper football men on board wether that's for football matters or business matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 2 hours ago, jamiejohn said: Let's not turn this into a witch hunt though DC has made mistakes most have been made with good intentions, yes he knows little about football and some of the business decisions are baffling but he genuinely wants us to do well and progress and has spent millions to try to achieve that. any suggestions he is ripping us off are wide of the mark what we are putting in is being more than matched by what he is putting in, if he was selling players off right left and centre and not replacing them then we could accuse him of it but he isn't, guilty of bad decisions yes guilty of negligence no. He needs proper football men on board wether that's for football matters or business matters If we fall foul of FFP he is guilty of negligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Almat said: What the heck are you banging on about? Sorry if it was a too complex statement for you to understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, A12owl said: If DC doesn't have a say in recruitment then who does? Did you read the thread wrong? Yes I read the thread title wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortlandOwl Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 I sometimes wonder who advises him, if anybody at all does. It's all a bit worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUMBELOWS91 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 2 hours ago, jamiejohn said: Let's not turn this into a witch hunt though DC has made mistakes most have been made with good intentions, yes he knows little about football and some of the business decisions are baffling but he genuinely wants us to do well and progress and has spent millions to try to achieve that. any suggestions he is ripping us off are wide of the mark what we are putting in is being more than matched by what he is putting in, if he was selling players off right left and centre and not replacing them then we could accuse him of it but he isn't, guilty of bad decisions yes guilty of negligence no. He needs proper football men on board wether that's for football matters or business matters Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southie_Owl Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Carlos simply has to go now We've failed to get promoted in the first two seasons, which was the aim And now we are midtable, we've lost in the first round of the cup, been humiliated by pigs at home, our worst result at home to them in history, and apart from Crewe we are the only team to lose to Bolton, and we've done it twice The longer Chansiri doesn't pull the plug the more we should worry that he actually is just happy owning a club with his name on, and that talk of promotion is just a speech to keep fans onside. I dont normally advocate fans booing or chanting during matches but unless a clear message gets to Chansiri I worry where this season is going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorrallOwl17 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Based on the fact Carlos still has a job, I would say no he doesn't know what he is doing. How can he think his investment is going in the right direction watching that? Or even if he doesn't watch it, just seeing the results. Any footballing man knows we are under achieving massively and know that Carlos is the man at fault, so any chairman with a knowledge would have pulled the trigger by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Southie_Owl said: Carlos simply has to go now We've failed to get promoted in the first two seasons, which was the aim And now we are midtable, we've lost in the first round of the cup, been humiliated by pigs at home, our worst result at home to them in history, and apart from Crewe we are the only team to lose to Bolton, and we've done it twice The longer Chansiri doesn't pull the plug the more we should worry that he actually is just happy owning a club with his name on, and that talk of promotion is just a speech to keep fans onside. I dont normally advocate fans booing or chanting during matches but unless a clear message gets to Chansiri I worry where this season is going I think opposite to that. Think all DC is focused on is to get promotion and rest of what a club is about is irrelevant. Think just wants to be Chairmen of a Premier League club for ego purposes. Not that he is a bad person or anything just getting to Premier league is the only real thing that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls maniac Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said: I think opposite to that. Think all DC is focused on is to get promotion and rest of what a club is about is irrelevant. Think just wants to be Chairmen of a Premier League club for ego purposes. Not that he is a bad person or anything just getting to Premier league is the only real thing that matters. Well that isn't going to happen with Carlos. Not in a million years. But this is why he needs a proper football person advising him- because right now he is weeing money down the drain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 58 minutes ago, owls maniac said: Well that isn't going to happen with Carlos. Not in a million years. But this is why he needs a proper football person advising him- because right now he is weeing money down the drain. DC needs to get on the phone to MM, he would have sacked CC straight after the Hudders fiasco. He knew when the club needed change DC is very naive in proper football matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelcityowlsfan Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 It's weird isn it, I mean for instance look at the recruitment and there are signings that should have worked but haven't, think Abdi and Rhodes and signings that make you scratch your head, think Jones and Boyd. The McGugan thing was bizarre as was the Lachman thing and then we loan 2 wingers and barely play them. This season we leave it incredibly late to sign a enough CB's and still haven't seen Vernancio play. It all reeks of ineptitude and naivety. Perhaps breaking up the committee too soon was an error, perhaps not having an experienced advisor for a few seasons was an error or a scouting set up that targeted genuine quality and youth with sell on ability. When you see teams that spend a fraction of what we have up near the top and previous to that Huddersfield who get promoted it feels worse than having no money and just hoping to survive because the perceived barriers are gone and we still can't do it. The next appointment is absolutely huge but more than anything he needs to have a bigger influence on the team than just picking the side. DC needs to swallow his pride and not appoint a yes man. There are bigger fish to fry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hack-Abusi Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 No issues with DC - he's pumped in a lot of money and cash we've not seen for years .. out of this world figures! My issues are with the way the cash has been splurged on ineffective transfers resulting in a bloated squad of individuals, spent in areas off the pitch that we haven't seen much in terms of return and the lack of footballing knowledge and a cutthroat personality trait .. nows the time for him to take action, personally, for the good of the club otherwise all the hard work over the past couple of years will be nothing as we amble on to yet another lacklustre playoff charge where we'll probably capitulate in the semi's or not even get there!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred mciver Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 It's hard to run club from Bangkok, especially as Palmer the Postman is dross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 I think DC is getting a rough ride. The committee idea was a bad one and it was rectified. Half the managers people want wouldn’t work with a committee. He appointed CC and funded improvements to the team. Many owners try this and do not achieve two playoff near misses. His tinkering with the kit, badge and failing to deliver a new kit is bad, but in the context of the wider success I can give him the benefit of the doubt. I don’t agree with the pricing but it is only an issue if the team isn’t up there. He has to make the right decision now though as we are at a crossroads. Whoever is chosen needs to be allowed to manage recruitment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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