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1 hour ago, shezzas left peg said:

There's a difference between blindly swinging a ball in, which although can be counted as a cross and actually delivering a quality pin point ball in the right area. You need to supply crosses in dangerous areas which somone has a chance to get on to. 

 

100% agree. If you actually look at the quality of our crosses they're pretty poor. The majority are either under / over hit, and very few crosses have pace on them meaning the strikers have to make sure they put power and direction on any finish. 

 

As many have said before we don't have the skill set within the squad as Carlos isn't a big fan of wingers, and the players that he plays on the wings all prefer to cut in. 

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22 hours ago, davetherivelinowl said:

This should de-bunk the myth that we're a team that doesn't supply strikers with crosses

 

Data from whoscored.com

 

This season we've made 25 crosses per game, 2nd highest in the league

 

Championship Situational Statistics

 
R Team Cross pg Through Ball pg Long Balls pg Short Passes pg
1 Queens Park Rangers 26 0 76 304
2 Sheffield Wednesday 25 1 74 362
3 Barnsley 24 0 82 287
4 Millwall 24 0 78 220
5 Sheffield United 21 1 75 363
6 Aston Villa 21 2 67 351
7 Preston 20 0 72 303
8 Brentford 19 3 80 417
9 Hull 19 1 76 362
10 Bristol City 19 1 83 348
11 Birmingham 19 1 77 307
12 Bolton 19 0 78 278
13 Ipswich 19 0 80 274
14 Nottingham Forest 18 2 73 451
15 Reading 18 1 83 437
16 Middlesbrough 18 1 67 370
17 Sunderland 18 0 77 276
18 Burton 18 0 79 275
19 Cardiff 17 1 71 219
20 Wolverhampton Wanderers 16 1 72 420
21 Leeds 16 1 74 361
22 Derby 15 1 69 317
23 Fulham 14 3 58 434
24 Norwich 14 1 61 427
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Few surprises there. Cardiff at the top of the league but with the lowest pass rate. Surprised to see Forest top of the pass rankings. Reading top of the long ball rankings with a Dutchman in charge. No surprises that Brentford and Fulham top the through ball chart with the clever players they have in midfield. 

 

These stats must be generated by successful passes, crosss, through balls etc or what's the point?

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Stats are fine but not the be all and end all. Haven't looked but I would imagine that in the games we have lost this season we probably had more 'possession' than the opposites. Yeah, but what kind of 'possession'? 

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4 hours ago, davetherivelinowl said:

Just to point out...

 

I'm not having a go at Jordan Rhodes. This is a response to those on here who have said we should never have bought him because we don't play the sort of football he can thrive on - 'he needs crosses'. The title is meant as a teaser; its something that others have said that I'm trying to debunk.

 

And in response to other posters:

Of course he can't score if we cross the ball and he's sat on the bench.

 

We're no more rubbish at crossing than most other teams. We're 5th in the league for the highest number of accurate crosses per game.

 

I'm not sure how they define crosses. We've created lots of chances from passes from wide areas. These may or may not be included in the stats. And I don't know how they define accurate. A dangerous cross into a good area might not be counted as accurate if nobody touches it.

 

Stats eh! 

 

 

Where is this stat from? There's nothing on that stats site as far as I can see to rank the accuracy of crosses.

 

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1 hour ago, alanharper said:

 

Where is this stat from? There's nothing on that stats site as far as I can see to rank the accuracy of crosses.

 

Same place, though I admit it's not easy to find. Oh, and I was wrong, we are 4th best not 5th best.

 

We're also 3rd worst for the number of Inaccurate crosses.

 

And we're poo at corners and free kicks

 

R Team AccCr InAccCr AccCrn InAccCrn AccFrK InAccFrK Rating
1 Preston 5.9 14.2 2.8 2.4 8.2 5.1 6.90
2 Millwall 5.7 17.8 3.3 3.8 6.5 5.5 6.83
3 Queens Park Rangers 5.5 20.5 1.7 4.5 10.1 3.5 6.74
4 Sheffield Wednesday 5.4 19 1.9 4.4 7.3 5.3 6.76
5 Barnsley 5.3 19.1 1.8 2.6 6.7 3.6 6.72
6 Aston Villa 5.1 16.2 0.8 2.9 5.2 3.3 6.86
7 Bristol City 4.8 14.5 3.2 2.7 9.8 5.5 6.94
8 Hull 4.7 14.3 1.6 3.4 6.3 5.2 6.82
9 Middlesbrough 4.6 13.3 2 3.1 9 3.5 6.83
10 Wolverhampton Wanderers 4.6 11.5 2.3 2.4 7.4 2.1 6.93
11 Birmingham 4.5 14.3 2 3 6.6 4.2 6.54
12 Bolton 4.4 14.4 1.7 2.2 7.5 5.4 6.47
13 Sheffield United 4.3 16.9 2.7 3.8 7.9 3.8 6.80
14 Reading 4.1 13.4 2.4 2.1 9 3.1 6.62
15 Ipswich 4.1 14.5 2.4 3.3 8.7 3.9 6.94
16 Cardiff 4 12.8 2.3 3.1 5.2 6.4 6.96
17 Derby 3.9 10.9 1.3 2.7 8.5 3.5 6.73
18 Brentford 3.8 14.8 3.4 3.7 11.3 2.9 6.73
19 Sunderland 3.7 13.8 1.4 2.3 5.7 4.5 6.66
20 Nottingham Forest 3.5 14.8 2 2.2 11 2.6 6.73
21 Burton 3.3 14.5 1.4 3 7 6.7 6.47
22 Leeds 2.8 13.1 2 2.3 9.4 3.1 6.84
23 Norwich 2.8 11.4 1.2 3.6 10 2.1 6.75
24 Fulham 2.6 11.7 2.3 2.7 12.2 2.2 6.78
 
Mins: Minutes played AccCr: Accurate cross passes InAccCr: Inaccurate cross passes
AccCrn: Accurate corner passes InAccCrn: Inaccurate corner passes AccFrK: Accurate freekicks
InAccFrK: Inaccurate freekicks
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That doesn't mean that we're the 4th most accurate crossing team though does it - it means that we've put in the 4th highest number of accurate crosses per game but we've done it from having the 2nd highest number of crosses. We've also got the 3rd highest number of inaccurate crosses in the division.

 

So basically yeah, our crossing is still rubbish! I'm sure somebody with more time and better maths than me could use that table above to show whereabouts we are when it comes to percentages of crosses which are actually completed. I've been to every game apart from one this season and week in week out I'm frustrated as cross after cross either fails to beat the first man or sails past everybody!

 

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12 hours ago, Ballmeist said:

 

100% agree. If you actually look at the quality of our crosses they're pretty poor. The majority are either under / over hit, and very few crosses have pace on them meaning the strikers have to make sure they put power and direction on any finish. 

 

As many have said before we don't have the skill set within the squad as Carlos isn't a big fan of wingers, and the players that he plays on the wings all prefer to cut in. 

Yup totally agree bud, been a bugbear of mine for ages now. Play the left footer on the right and visa versa meaning instead of being able to either beat a man on the run or just curl it round the defender. We have to stop play dead, let the defense set while whomever is out wide stops, cuts inside then delivers an IN SWINGING CROSS. Straight into the goalies arm's, instead of a wide man putting an out swinging ball in for attacking players to run onto and get power on the header. Yes reach and hunt when they're breaking forward as wingers, not fullbacks as they're supposed to be put a woefull cross in and we get cought down the wide channels to a fast break making the CB's have to cover out wide and leave a hole you could drive a tank through the middle. Not our best tactics to be honest. 

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14 hours ago, Arthur Bach said:

Crossing is a lost art across most of football - much like tackling.

 

Modern corners are often a joke.

 

They've been coached out of the game with possesional, short passing taking their place.

 

 

 

That's because they're pisseasy to defend against. For a start, the ball has to be in slightly in front of the attacker. This gives the defender the advantage. A striker has a very small target to aim at and then a goal keeper to beat. The defender has the rest of the field to aim at. It's no coincidence defenders are generally the tallest players on the field. A defender only has to shoulder barge the striker when jumping for the ball and he has no chance of scoring because he can't get the angle on it. I haven't even started on the full backs preventing crosses. I'm not saying don't throw in crosses, but not on every single attack like we do. Watching the weekly goal round up, especially in the prem, hardly any goals from crosses. Just spent 5 minutes typing that and don't know why I bothered TBH because nobody ever listens

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Think the first one caught him by surprise,  the cross seemed to evade everybody and reached him at the back post and he fluffed it. Probably should be anticipating it better though. Then he completely missed 2 more decent crosses, then had the one with the soft header that should probably have been better.

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On 10/13/2017 at 11:53, oh_weds_we_love_you said:

 

This.

 

Doesn't matter how many crosses we put in if they're sh*te crosses!

Also doesnt matter how crosses we put in if the person on the end is shi*te.

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