Utah Owl Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 21 minutes ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said: I went Crazy when Pak do Wick (whatever) put South Korea 3-0 up against Portugal at Goodison Park and the game had been ignored for live coverage ! Eusebio (RIP) sorted that one out though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 29 minutes ago, Utah Owl said: Eusebio (RIP) sorted that one out though! How come I remember the scorer of a goal from 51 years ago that had nothing to do with Wednesday, but not what I had for breakfast this morning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 6 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Just watched it on the video in the OP! The standard is RUBBISH! It's not about the technical standard of the game though is it. It's about the entertainment value of the overall experience. It was better then, not just for overall entertainment but also because it was as cheap as chips! Genuine entertainment for the masses, even as a kid you could easily afford to get in out of your pocket money several times over. When I started entry was 6d (2.5p) for nippers! To put that into perspective a bag of chips was 3d (1p) and a smallish bar of Cadbury's cost 4d (1.5p), so the cost of a bag of chips and a bar of chocolate. Oh my pocket money in those days was half a crown - let's see if you can work that one out! Remind me what is the pay on the gate now for kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Just now, Utah Owl said: It's not just about the technical standard of the game though is it? It's about the entertainment value of the overall experience. It was better then, not just for overall entertainment but also because it was as cheap as chips! Genuine entertainment for the masses, even as a kid you could easily afford to get in out of your pocket money several times over. When I started entry was 6d (2.5p) for nippers! To put that into perspective a bag of chips was 3d (1p) and a smallish bar of Cadbury's cost 4d (1.5p), so the cost of a bag of chips and a bar of chocolate. Oh my pocket money in those days was half a crown - let's see if you can work that one out! Remind me what is the pay on the gate now for kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmontonowl Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 8 hours ago, Lincs Owl said: The Germany 5-0 wasn't a rubbish game. I was there. Also saw Germany beat Uruguay 4-0 at Hillsboro. And went to the other two WC matches at Hillsboro. W.Germany were easily the best side in the tournament. They would have won it, I think, but for a wee wee tail-eyed Azerbaijani linesman. The fans were brilliant. Especially the Argentinians. I stood with them in the rain on the Kop. They were bouncing 40 years before us. Maybe football then wasn't quite up to todays exacting standards but so what? Watching that was better than playing with my yo-yo or sister's Hula Hoop. Some of you lot don't know how lucky you are, with your fancy dan computers and mobile phones. Not quite the same spending a night with a slide rule. '60's euphamism? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibbo48 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 7 hours ago, Emilianenko said: We had rubbish fans in the 60s judging by the replies in this thread. The 60s, when the only trolls I'd ever heard of lived under bridges and frightened the Billy goats Gruff 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wednesdayok Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 13 hours ago, Flat Owl said: GOALS 16' 1-0 Siegfried Held (assist - Uwe Seeler) 20' 2-0 Helmut Haller (assist - Wolfgang Overath) 40' 3-0 Franz Beckenbauer (assist - Uwe Seeler) 52' 4-0 Franz Beckenbauer (assist - Wolfgang Overath) 78' 5-0 Helmut Haller (penalty) REFEREE Hugh Phillips (Scotland) LINESMEN John Adair (Northern Ireland) Bertil Lööw (Sweden) EXPULSIONS - ATTENDANCE 36,127 WEST GERMANY AGE D.O.B. CLUB 1 GK Hans Tilkowski 31 12 Jul 1935 Borussia Dortmund 2 DF Horst-Dieter Höttges 22 10 Sep 1943 Werder Bremen 3 DF Karl-Heinz Schnellinger 27 31 Mar 1939 AC Milan (ITA) 5 DF Willi Schulz 27 04 Oct 1938 Hamburger SV 6 DF Wolfgang Weber 22 26 Jun 1944 1.FC Cologne 4 MD Franz Beckenbauer 20 11 Sep 1945 Bayern Munich 7 MD Albert Brülls 29 26 Mar 1937 Brescia (ITA) 8 MD Helmut Haller 26 21 Jul 1939 Bologna (ITA) 12 MD Wolfgang Overath 22 29 Sep 1943 1.FC Cologne 9 FW Uwe Seeler (c) 29 05 Nov 1936 Hamburger SV 10 FW Siegfried Held 23 07 Aug 1942 Borussia Dortmund Coach: Helmut Schön 50 15 Sep 1915 SWITZERLAND AGE D.O.B. CLUB 1 GK Karl Elsener 31 13 Aug 1934 Lausanne-Sport 7 DF Hansrüdi Fuhrer 28 24 Dec 1937 Young Boys Berne 9 DF Andre Grobety 33 22 Jun 1933 Lausanne-Sport 18 DF Heinz Schneiter (c) 31 12 Apr 1935 Young Boys Berne 20 DF Ely Tacchella 30 25 May 1936 Lausanne-Sport 4 MD Heinz Bäni 29 18 Nov 1936 FC Zürich 6 MD Richard Dürr 27 01 Dec 1938 Lausanne-Sport 10 FW Robert Hosp 26 13 Dec 1939 Lausanne-Sport 13 FW Fritz Künzli 20 08 Jan 1946 FC Zürich 15 FW Karl Odermatt 23 17 Dec 1942 FC Basel 17 FW Jean-Claude Schindelholz 25 11 Oct 1940 Servette Genf Coach: Alfredo Foni (ITA) 55 20 Jan 1911 Looked more than 36.000 more like 50.000+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 13 hours ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said: Yeah you're right Football was rubbish in the 60's. So rubbish 135,000 turned up for this one Yeah but we'd get 135k if it wasn't for SYP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 8 hours ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said: We have dire fans now judging by the last two seasons ! That would be the ticket prices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 14 hours ago, Lincs Owl said: The Germany 5-0 wasn't a rubbish game. I was there. Also saw Germany beat Uruguay 4-0 at Hillsboro. And went to the other two WC matches at Hillsboro. W.Germany were easily the best side in the tournament. They would have won it, I think, but for a wee wee tail-eyed Azerbaijani linesman. The fans were brilliant. Especially the Argentinians. I stood with them in the rain on the Kop. They were bouncing 40 years before us. Maybe football then wasn't quite up to todays exacting standards but so what? Watching that was better than playing with my yo-yo or sister's Hula Hoop. Some of you lot don't know how lucky you are, with your fancy dan computers and mobile phones. Not quite the same spending a night with a slide rule. Are you originally from Barnsley? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 The players of the 60's, Best, Charlton, Law, Moore, Hurst, Astle, Cooke, Chivers etc, all could play in todays game, I cannot think of many of todays prima donnas who could have played then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Thome Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 5 hours ago, adelphi1867 said: The players of the 60's, Best, Charlton, Law, Moore, Hurst, Astle, Cooke, Chivers etc, all could play in todays game, I cannot think of many of todays prima donnas who could have played then. It's not really fair to compare eras, but on this occasion i'll bite.... Yes, the modern players would need to get used to bobbling pitches, heavy balls and centre halves chopping them in half. But watch that clip of that German team and aside from a few silky touches from Beckenbauer there's nothing on show that a bog standard Wednesday player from our League One days like Reda Johnson couldn't do better. And Johnson was bigger, faster and physically much stronger than any of those West Germans, so those 60s hard men would think twice about chopping him in half when he's allowed to do the same to them. The game is so much faster, skillful and athletic now. So those old school players you mentioned might not have made it the modern day either. From his early 20s Best was a prodigious drinker, as was Moore. There is no way they could drink as much as they did and hope to be fit enough to play modern football, even Championship football. Would they be able to adapt to preparing like a professional rather than an amateur? I'm not so sure, Best was an alcoholic and couldn't give up drinking even to save his life. And if he drank like that and played a game at the modern pace, make no mistake he'd be knackered after 20 minutes and soon be more of a liability than an asset to his team. Then you have centre forwards like Hurst and Astle who basically scored goals and didn't do a lot outside the penalty area. If they wanted to be a modern footballer they would have to learn to hold the ball up, link play and press the defenders much more effectively than they did in the 60s. Even wonderfully skilful goalscorers like Aguero are being told by modern managers they need to do more off the ball - so a big bruiser like Jeff Astle? I can't see him playing in a modern team. As I said, it's not fair to compare eras. But it's a bit lazy to say all todays players are prima donnas when many of your typical 60s footballer couldn't even look after the basics like being fit enough to not smoke or keep trim enough not to have a beer belly while supposedly being a professional athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owler66 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 15 hours ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said: I went Crazy when Pak do Wick (whatever) put South Korea 3-0 up against Portugal at Goodison Park and the game had been ignored for live coverage ! South Korea! rocket man won't be happy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 42 minutes ago, owler66 said: South Korea! rocket man won't be happy I'd be very wary for a while if I were you Nev! After that mistake you have just gone to the top of Pyongyang's most wanted list! Watch out for pretty young asian lasses wanting to give you a kiss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Emerson Thome said: It's not really fair to compare eras, but on this occasion i'll bite.... Yes, the modern players would need to get used to bobbling pitches, heavy balls and centre halves chopping them in half. But watch that clip of that German team and aside from a few silky touches from Beckenbauer there's nothing on show that a bog standard Wednesday player from our League One days like Reda Johnson couldn't do better. And Johnson was bigger, faster and physically much stronger than any of those West Germans, so those 60s hard men would think twice about chopping him in half when he's allowed to do the same to them. The game is so much faster, skillful and athletic now. So those old school players you mentioned might not have made it the modern day either. From his early 20s Best was a prodigious drinker, as was Moore. There is no way they could drink as much as they did and hope to be fit enough to play modern football, even Championship football. Would they be able to adapt to preparing like a professional rather than an amateur? I'm not so sure, Best was an alcoholic and couldn't give up drinking even to save his life. And if he drank like that and played a game at the modern pace, make no mistake he'd be knackered after 20 minutes and soon be more of a liability than an asset to his team. Then you have centre forwards like Hurst and Astle who basically scored goals and didn't do a lot outside the penalty area. If they wanted to be a modern footballer they would have to learn to hold the ball up, link play and press the defenders much more effectively than they did in the 60s. Even wonderfully skilful goalscorers like Aguero are being told by modern managers they need to do more off the ball - so a big bruiser like Jeff Astle? I can't see him playing in a modern team. As I said, it's not fair to compare eras. But it's a bit lazy to say all todays players are prima donnas when many of your typical 60s footballer couldn't even look after the basics like being fit enough to not smoke or keep trim enough not to have a beer belly while supposedly being a professional athlete. Ah!, but with modern day techniques they would not be as 'Unfit' as you indicate, and do not forget, the best players of that era played 3 times a week, for club and country on, as you say, ploughed fields, so they must have been fit enough, but in a different way to todays players. It is my belief that todays players are 'over trained, like race horses,leading to injuries to Knees, and Hamstrings and Groins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan48 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Sorry to be pedantic but it was North Korea who Portugal beat 5 - 3 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 45 minutes ago, Utah Owl said: I'd be very wary for a while if I were you Nev! After that mistake you have just gone to the top of Pyongyang's most wanted list! Watch out for pretty young asian lasses wanting to give you a kiss! Oohh bamboo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 32 minutes ago, adelphi1867 said: Ah!, but with modern day techniques they would not be as 'Unfit' as you indicate, and do not forget, the best players of that era played 3 times a week, for club and country on, as you say, ploughed fields, so they must have been fit enough, but in a different way to todays players. It is my belief that todays players are 'over trained, like race horses,leading to injuries to Knees, and Hamstrings and Groins. Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onge Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Any era where we could win a World Cup must've been rubbish... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 On 09/10/2017 at 19:19, asteener1867 said: If todays players had to play under the same circumstances, I'm not so sure they would cope..Heavy pitches, heavy balls...extremely heavy tackles, diet, training etc. Ive seen Gerry Young make tackles that would be a straight red today, but were deemed as fair enough in those days..Its all a bit relative.. On a desso pitch with no tackles or shoulder chgarging etc..Todays players would walk it.. Muck, bullets and knee high tackles on a mudheap...Not a chance... Agree with most of that but the one thing the 60's players didn't do, which they could easily have done, is practice as much as today's players.......that's why, even if you could somehow even up all the other differences, today's players would still win and would be much more technically superior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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