Guest RocketOwl Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 He is frustrating with how long he takes on the ball but he is missed. We don't concede 4 when Loovens plays. Loovens is the leader at the back and he will be crucial to a top 6 finish. Van Aken is better on the ball but who cares when you concede 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramone Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Fans have blinkers on about Van Allen cos they like to watch kick the ball a really long way. The lad can't defend for toffee. We we miss our captain fantastic so much. Tom Lees looks like a conference defender with out him next to him. Will be a massive boost when Glen is back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkskaphil Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, RocketOwl said: He is frustrating with how long he takes on the ball but he is missed. We don't concede 4 when Loovens plays. Loovens is the leader at the back and he will be crucial to a top 6 finish. Van Aken is better on the ball but who cares when you concede 4. I remember going to Fulham and losing 4-0. Loovens played that day and was an absolute liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADDO Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 minute ago, RocketOwl said: He is frustrating with how long he takes on the ball but he is missed. We don't concede 4 when Loovens plays. Loovens is the leader at the back and he will be crucial to a top 6 finish. Van Aken is better on the ball but who cares when you concede 4. Agreed. Van aken is good with the ball but I'm not impressed with his defending. Very poor for 3 of their goals yesterday and one against Forest. Needs taking out of the side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waddleisgod Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 If fit Loovens must play against leeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RocketOwl Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Loovens has been part of a defensive unit for the past three seasons that has kept clean sheet after clean sheet. We need his intelligence and experience for these next two games. Cannot see Carlos not playing him if he is fit. Probably time for Hutchinson too - last season when we dipped in form he came in and led to a turnaround in results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtawnyowl Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 If Loovens playing has such good effect on his partner (Lees) perhaps we should try a combination of Loovens/Van Aken. IMO Van Aken shows real potential to become a very good CB but he is young and inexperienced at this level. I'm sure playing alongside Loovens would help him learn his job and help him settle in the team. So what about Lees? Try three at the back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Said it loads of times and got hammered for it. Lees is a different player without Loovens. Makes me laugh when people say Lees could play in the premier league and for England one day. Yeah, if Loovens travels everywhere with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trask43 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Agree hes a proper defender he can hardly run at times and his passing is dodgy but he never looks worried when defending and knows when to take one for the team. His main attribute is his talking though, lees cant lead he doesnt talk enough and hes half the player when loovens is injured. Sadly van aken looks a long way off for the money spent he looks a poorer player than sasso and hutch should be ahead of him in the pecking order at cb although he maybe needed in cm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxondale Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I said the same all week before the game if Loovens is anywhere near fit he must play because as much as he has his faults, he is the one true leader we have got and his experience was desperately missed yesterday. Lees is not captain material for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lythamowl Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 dear god almighty we missed him yesterday..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 We should be looking towards what Venancio has to offer too. With hindsight we missed Loovens yesterday, but van Aken and Lees had very good games against Cardiff - what makes anyone think that Clarke's movement would've been too much for either of them. I just can't say I saw yesterday's defensive display coming. I don't believe anyone can truly say that in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captowl Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 How can you defend the centre when you see Hunt and Reach outside you. CBs were getting drawn all over the shot trying to dig those two out of a hole. The number of times the line was lost by the full back trotting out behind like a summer stroll was shocking. Reach was ripped a new one yesterday he was exposed for what he is a bang average wide player being shoe horned into a left back position. No leader at the back working the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulcinella Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 minute ago, cowl said: We should be looking towards what Venancio has to offer too. With hindsight we missed Loovens yesterday, but van Aken and Lees had very good games against Cardiff - what makes anyone think that Clarke's movement would've been too much for either of them. I just can't say I saw yesterday's defensive display coming. I don't believe anyone can truly say that in fact. Of all people, I wouldn't have previously thought it possible for Leon Clarke to be too fast in his movement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Problem is I don't think Lees is a big talker and I think yesterday was clear evidence that Loovens is the one that has been marshalling the defence and getting them all in position. Just didn't realise how much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxing_day Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 17 minutes ago, Saxondale said: I said the same all week before the game if Loovens is anywhere near fit he must play because as much as he has his faults, he is the one true leader we have got and his experience was desperately missed yesterday. Lees is not captain material for me. Agree. It's absolutely bizarre lees is captain. Quiet bloke and not a leader. Doesn't say a word on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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