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1 hour ago, Dan™ said:

Not much to elaborate on really, some people on here just misinterpreted an interview and decided that Forestieri had said he didn't want to (or in some cases, even refused) to play on the left. To my knowledge, his real statement was no more sinister than saying he prefers to play in the middle. Carlos himself even came out to clarify that Forestieri had never refused to play on the left, but the rumour mill still kept on rolling.

 

It's no different to if you had Tom Lees in for an interview and asked him if he'd mind playing left back. You'd get the same answer as Forestieri gave about playing on the left wing, but without the same fallout on here.

 

Yep, agree with that.

 

The staggering thing about the whole scenario, was Carlos opting to play Forestieri centrally, despite his own feeling that his role is very much out wide. As a result, it meant our best two strikers were left out of the side early on in the season, and our results suffered for it. 

 

Carlos managed the whole situation poorly in my opinion. If he believes FF's best role is out wide, play him there. Don't play him in a position where you believe you have better options in our squad. Forestieri's later training ground incident and injury, conveniently, forced Carlos' hand, and as a result, we've finally settled on a consistent strike pairing and more stable starting XI.  

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1 hour ago, Costello 77 said:

It's not for Forestieri to say where he'd like to play.

That's why the coach showed him up.

This is true. I remember McGugan telling Carlos that he couldn't play the role Carlos wanted him to play, the writing was on the wall there on in.

I also remember Carlos on the radio basically accepting what McGugan had said but that was the end of McGugan to all intents and purposes.

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12 minutes ago, Eastleigh Owl said:

This is true. I remember McGugan telling Carlos that he couldn't play the role Carlos wanted him to play, the writing was on the wall there on in.

I also remember Carlos on the radio basically accepting what McGugan had said but that was the end of McGugan to all intents and purposes.

Exactly.

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On 15/09/2017 at 23:03, Lord Snooty said:

 

Those shuttle things you play badminton with.

Damned to you Snooty I've just tried writing the very same word on an other thread and now realised Shuttlecock  Fosbury would have been better than Richard , However  it was only a reply to Finlux Cup so it would have been a waste anyway....BTW How's the pre match post doing? Lady Owlerton has the old printer fired up I'm bringing a hard copy to the ground for Sunday to show relations who arent computer savvy 

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3 hours ago, Eastleigh Owl said:

This is true. I remember McGugan telling Carlos that he couldn't play the role Carlos wanted him to play, the writing was on the wall there on in.

I also remember Carlos on the radio basically accepting what McGugan had said but that was the end of McGugan to all intents and purposes.

 

But, yet again, the difference is that FF hasn't told Carlos that he won't play any role asked of him like McGugan seemingly has, so I'm not sure why the comparison.

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12 hours ago, Dan™ said:

Not much to elaborate on really, some people on here just misinterpreted an interview and decided that Forestieri had said he didn't want to (or in some cases, even refused) to play on the left. To my knowledge, his real statement was no more sinister than saying he prefers to play in the middle. Carlos himself even came out to clarify that Forestieri had never refused to play on the left, but the rumour mill still kept on rolling.

 

 

You are being very kind there.

 

Word for word from Carlos...

 

"He cant play on the left because he has to track back"

 

"He says he feels totally comfortable in attack and completely out of position on the left hand side".

 

So no, perhaps he hasnt said he wont play where he is asked, but if you were his manager and was told this, how would you feel?

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11 hours ago, OWLERTON GHOST said:

Damned to you Snooty......How's the pre match post doing? Lady Owlerton has the old printer fired up I'm bringing a hard copy to the ground for Sunday to show relations who arent computer savvy 

 

Lots of interesting facts this week old scout. 

I hope you'll all find it very ..educational! 

 

1 hour ago, Holmowl said:


....if you were his manager and was told this, how would you feel?

 

I'd feel totally relaxed about it. And probably say. 

"Oh well. Don't worry. I sure you'll get the hang of it because that's where you'll be playing."

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10 hours ago, Holmowl said:

 

You are being very kind there.

 

Word for word from Carlos...

 

"He cant play on the left because he has to track back"

 

"He says he feels totally comfortable in attack and completely out of position on the left hand side".

 

So no, perhaps he hasnt said he wont play where he is asked, but if you were his manager and was told this, how would you feel?

 

I understand where you are coming from, but these aren't kids having a mess about, they're professionals. And from a professional perspective it's better for FF to tell Carlos if he's not comfortable playing in a particular position so Carlos can take that into account when deciding the team.

 

You could apply that same quote Carlos gave to my Tom Lees scenario... "He says he feels totally comfortable at centre back and out of position on the left hand side."

 

To me, the only difference is that many fans see FF's best position as being on the left, whereas Lees' is clearly at CB. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with what FF has said.

 

Another quote from Carlos:

 

“He’s an unbelievable guy and he’s a fantastic player,” said Carvalhal. “If we need him to play on the left, he will play there. If we need him to play at right full-back, he will play there.”

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On 22/09/2017 at 20:13, frastheowl said:

 

Yep, agree with that.

 

The staggering thing about the whole scenario, was Carlos opting to play Forestieri centrally, despite his own feeling that his role is very much out wide. As a result, it meant our best two strikers were left out of the side early on in the season, and our results suffered for it. 

 

Carlos managed the whole situation poorly in my opinion. If he believes FF's best role is out wide, play him there. Don't play him in a position where you believe you have better options in our squad. Forestieri's later training ground incident and injury, conveniently, forced Carlos' hand, and as a result, we've finally settled on a consistent strike pairing and more stable starting XI.  

 

So when you say the two best strikers were left out for the early part of the season, you actually mean one game, Preston away, when all the team, everyone,  was 

rubbish.

 

As far as I am concerned it is not a question of whether FF wants to play left its a question of whether he is our best option on the left and he quite clearly isn't.

So to me the whole thing is a non argument and I think Carlos sees it that way too which is the real reason FF has rarely played wide left.

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4 minutes ago, oldishowl said:

 

So when you say the two best strikers were left out for the early part of the season, you actually mean one game, Preston away, when all the team, everyone,  was 

rubbish.

 

As far as I am concerned it is not a question of whether FF wants to play left its a question of whether he is our best option on the left and he quite clearly isn't.

So to me the whole thing is a non argument and I think Carlos sees it that way too which is the real reason FF has rarely played wide left.

 

Fletcher and Hooper didn't start a league game together until Fulham away...

 

Since then, 3 wins, and one (last minute) draw.

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23 minutes ago, frastheowl said:

 

Fletcher and Hooper didn't start a league game together until Fulham away...

 

Since then, 3 wins, and one (last minute) draw.

 

But your whole point was about him picking FF as a striker rather than on the left and FF was picked as a striker for just one game.

Or are we blaming FF when he doesn't even play now

 

Also you have no idea on how fit Fletcher was after the Chesterfield game given his ongoing knee problem 

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11 hours ago, oldishowl said:

 

But your whole point was about him picking FF as a striker rather than on the left and FF was picked as a striker for just one game.

Or are we blaming FF when he doesn't even play now

 

Also you have no idea on how fit Fletcher was after the Chesterfield game given his ongoing knee problem 

 

Where have I put any blame on Forestieri? 

 

Quite the opposite.

 

I'm just stating facts.

 

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