Popular Post Lord Snooty Posted September 8, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) What a week! Lots of meltdowns......Winnall gone....FF injured....the Earth is flat...Carlos' Pork-Lobster Boring International games... Also our Birthday Week!! 150 years! A cake the size of Giant Haywstacks..a smashed Shez. But now we're back into Football League action Today Wednesday play Forest. .. Two of the great names in English Football... Two of the oldest names in English football. .. An age old rivalry... A rivalry beyond football …. (Don’t worry mods. This won’t be about scabs) Sheffield Wednesday – V – Nottingham Forest OR THE CASE OF THE STOLEN LEGEND How many times have we visited the City ground and heard the strains of “Robin Hood, Robin Hood riding through the Glen”? Understandable you may think, seems fair enough for a club which calls itself Forest and plays in a City -Nottingham- which has been linked for hundreds of years with the legend of Robin Hood. Well no, actually. Because they stole him. Robin Hood was a Yorkshireman. Now you may have heard this before. How the SNotts claim him on one side and Yorkists claim him on the other. The row about whether he was from Nottinghamshire or Barnsdale in Yorkshire has raged for years. The Cheeky feckers have even included him in their county flag! “Yes, Yes,” the Snots say “but everyone knows Robin Hood lived in Sherwood Forest!” And well he might, well he might! (pay attention at the back Mr Bluesky, stop putting darts in that CC voodoo doll) The earliest ballads did indeed link Robin Hood to identifiable real places and Robin Hood and his band of "merry men" are portrayed as living in Sherwood Forest in many early ballads and manuscripts. The Lincoln Cathedral Manuscript, which is the first officially recorded Robin Hood song (dating from approximately 1420), makes an explicit reference to the outlaw that states that "Robyn hode in scherewode stod." In a similar fashion, a monk of Witham Priory (1460) suggested that the archer had 'infested shirwode'. Except…. That’s a bit of a convenient coverall phrase isn’t it? They say Sherwood Forest as if that is only inclusive of the small area to the North of Nottingham. The small area that surrounds Centre Parcs and goes up to the visitors centre. They say Sherwood and leave the rest down to the subliminal programming that their fraudulent tourism chiefs have pushed over the years. Aided and abetted by Film and TV people - I can almost hear the dreadful American Voice Over “ Can Rah-ben Huurrrrd save the Princess from the eveel Sheriff of Note-ing-Hahhhm!” “Sherwood =Nottingham” Nothing but a word association trick! In ancient times Sherwood, did cover most of Nottinghamshire north of the river Trent , as it did much of the neighbouring county of Derbyshire and swathes of south Yorkshire. It stretched well into Yorkshire as late as the 14th century. Different areas of the great forest had different names and the divinations of it covered half of Northern England. The part of it in Nottimgham is called Birklands and Bilhaugh In our part of the world it was called Loxley Chase and extended from Sheffield as far south east as Nottinghamshire in the 12th century . So was he from Yorkshire then? The linguist Lister Matheson has observed that the language of the Gest of Robyn Hode (one of the earliest ballads) is – “written in a definite northern dialect, most likely indications say that of Yorkshire. In consequence, it seems probable that the Robin Hood legend actually originates from the county of Yorkshire. Robin Hood's Yorkshire origins are universally accepted by professional historians.” Where? The original Robin Hood ballads, set events in the medieval forest of Barnsdale. Barnsdale was a wooded area covering thirty square miles, ranging six miles from north to south, with the River Went at Wentbridge . Wentbridge is not directly named in A Gest of Robyn Hode, but it does depict a poor knight explaining to Robin Hood that he 'went at a bridge' where there was wrestling'. A commemorative Blue Plaque has been placed on the bridge that crosses the River Went by Wakefield City Council! A blue plaque. A blue plaque, Gordon Bennett! On the evidence of as spurious a link as any I’ve read. “went at a bridge” . That bridge could have been anywhere. . Why do we in Sheffield not push ourselves! Whilst others will do anything to shine light on their towns and Cities why do we hide our rich cultural history? Indeed why do we let others claim it for themselves! Are we too embarrassed to show off perhaps? I might ask that we put a blue plaque up on the Tram bridge on Park Square roundabout if such straws are being grasped at! But we don’t have to. We do not have to make things up. Because… Robin of Loxley “Little Haggas Croft (pasture) wherein is ye founacion of a house or cottage where Robin Hood was borne.” Little Haggas Croft was in the area of present-day Normandale House on Rodney Hill, Loxley, Sheffield. “The major Oak!” say the folks of Nottingham smugly. The major oak would have been a mere sapling 900 years ago, barely a sprout from the forest floor. “But , erm, but , the Sherriff… ” the Nottingham folk desperately squeal, as they start to panic about the truth coming out now, “the Sherriff of Nottingham!” Ahh yes. The Sherriff of Nottingham… What the historian J. C. Holt suggested is Nottinghamshires best but probably only decent link to Robin Hood. His interactions with the city's sheriff. Simple subliminal word association.... Sherwood = Nottingham = Sherriff of Nottingham =Robin Hood. But we shall deal with fact! The first Sherriff of Nottingham and Derbyshire (as was the original title) was a chap called Sir William Peveril. Now that name might sound familiar. And so it should... Sir William Peveril, of Peveril Castle. Peveril Castle at Castleton. You know, the big one on top of the hill. Castleton for facks sake! Castleton, down the road from Hathersage , yes, yes ….. That Hathersage, Little John of Hathersage. Well done! @Holmowl,stop arranging your smarties into a 4-4-2 and think . …Little John where have we heard that name before? Yes. The tales of facking Robin Hood! Little John (Hathersage) and Robin Hood (Loxley) fighting against the evil Sherriff of Nottingham of Nottingham (Peveril, Castleton) Sir Walter Scott made the connection. Hardly likely, he thought, that a man born in Loxley and a man born in Hathersage would travel 50 miles to do their robbing and deer hunting when they were both born in the National Forest and on the Buxton trade route. Peveril Castle being used as a hunting lodge and stop over house by the Sherriff. Scott was the first to put our man Hood down in novel form when he wrote his classic medieval tale *“Ivanhoe”. Scott wasn’t conned by the Nottingham Fraudsters and hucksters and neither should you all be! “In that pleasant district of merry England which is watered by the river Don, there extended in ancient times a large forest, covering the greater part of the beautiful hills and valleys which lie between Sheffield….and there flourished in ancient times those bands of gallant outlaws, whose deeds have been rendered so popular in English song.” Ivanhoe, Sir Walter Scott So … Fack Nottingham and fack their highly dubious claims to Robin Hood. And when you see them, make sure you tell them! For he was a Yorkshireman, he was a Sheffielder and given his modern day postcode I daresay if they had been around at the time he’d have been Wednesday too! COME ON THE WEDNESDAY! Let your shots fly as true as our famous son’s arrows! *Historical note. Ivanhoe – (Wilfred of Ivanhoe of one of the remaining Saxon noblemen at a time when the nobility in England was overwhelmingly Norman. Not to be confused with Emile Ivanhoe Heskey, the former Leicester City centre forward. Edited September 8, 2017 by Lord Snooty 3 8 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxine Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 2-0 Come on Wednesday we need a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Tip top stuff mi' Lud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brommers Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 So he didn't live in an airport in Doncaster then, well fancy that. You learn something new every day. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F. Spiksley Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Sterling effort Snoots! Let's chop these trees down ... ... 5-0 UTO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencerowl Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Wow great post lord. Coke on boys 2-0 today pls don't let us down 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s6 owl Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Need a win today Westwood Hunt Lees Van Aken Reach Jones Butterfield Bannan Wallace Hooper Fletcher But I wouldn't be surprised to see Venancio start instead of Van Aken 3-0 Wednesday. No excuses now Forest like to play the ball on the deck so let's go toe to toe with them and show the rest of the league that we can blow teams away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_D Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Stopped reading at "The Case" sorry too late for me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxine Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 BTW I had my dinner in the George last Week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, Maxine said: BTW I had my dinner in the George last Week. Pork or lobster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxine Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: Pork or lobster? The veggi dish spinach and riicotto cannelloni. Edited September 8, 2017 by Maxine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full fathom five Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 COME ON WEDNESDAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Maxine said: The veggi dish spinach and risotto cannelloni. In 1870, a German chemist named Erich von Wolf was researching the nutritional benefits of spinach. In his notes, he accidentally printed the decimal point in the vegetable's iron content in the wrong spot. Wolf accidentally increased the vegetable's iron level to 10 times the actual amount — 3.5 grams of iron suddenly became 35 grams, an extremely high amount of iron. Popeye was invented on the back of the myth about the iron content and sales went through the roof. But the truth is you would be better off with a good pork Maxine. . Edited September 9, 2017 by Lord Snooty 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxine Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Just now, Lord Snooty said: In 1870, a German chemist named Erich von Wolf was researching the nutritional benefits of spinach. In his notes, he accidentally printed the decimal point in the vegetable's iron content in the wrong spot. Wolf accidentally increased the vegetable's iron level to 10 times the actual amount — 3.5 grams of iron suddenly became 35 grams, an extremely high amount of iron. Popeye was invented on the back of the myth about the iron content and sales went through the roof. But the truth is you would be better off with a good pork.. I'm not sure if it's just me but everything you say sounds rude. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Brilliant work Lord Top marks sir 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offalyowl Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 We going to send a message to the championship with a 3 nil win in front of the sky cameras, let's hope it's the start of a run we go on and keep climbing the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauli Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Popeye and his thunderous nine inch fuckpipe. If you are going to do a Offical Matchday Thread, just make some stuff up. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trumbullowl Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 When Wednesday win, United lose......we'll go above them!! Come on you Blues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl70 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Can not wait for this game...... first one of the season. Missed first two games due to sun beer beer wine and beer in corfu plus beer!!!!! So eventually get to present my new shiny season ticket!!!!! Was still following owls talk though :-) WAWAW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Maxine said: I'm not sure if it's just me but everything you say sounds rude. A simple misunderstanding, I'm sure. I insist you come around for supper so we might have some social intercourse to get to the bottom of this terrible mix up. Edited September 9, 2017 by Lord Snooty 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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