BIG D Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 If players are good enough then they will get a chance and they have to grab it. Carlos has to win games and if I was picking a side to save my life then young Hirst wouldn't be anywhere near it. It doesn't show Hirst (of his Dad) in a good light that he's unwilling to sign a new deal. I'd love to know what the offer was and I'd wager it's more then the lad at united is on (he's the one who just won player of the tournament and looks a real decent prospect). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlZfan84 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, Blue and white said: Then we may as well have sold him because he won't sign a contract and will leave for a nominal fee set be a tribunal. We also might as well do away with the academy if we are not going to promote talent from it. I agree. He's not going to feature though. The fact Winnall has left will make no difference to his situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dronfield Blue Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Hirst is 18.5 years old. At the same age, Rooney had made 67 first team appearances for Everton in the Prem. He is not an embryo, he is a young man. Time for a run out before he takes up walking football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1867 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Unless George Hirst signs a new contract we may as well forget about him. He's already getting left out of u23 games for this reason, left out of the trip to Portuga and really should have been on the bench for the chesterfield cup game. It looks to to me like he is getting frozen out. Unless the club offer what he wants then we are in a bit of a catch 22 situation. We should have sold him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Just now, owlZfan84 said: I agree. He's not going to feature though. The fact Winnall has left will make no difference to his situation. I'm not saying he should be the first name on the team sheet, I'm not saying he should be in the squad every week but I would like to see him included in the squad when the chance arises. Hooper and Fletcher are fantastic for us but both or injury prone and neither has a full season in them, this is where George should come into the reckoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briggowl Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Hooper Fletcher Rhodes Joao Nuhui Hirst Need 3 injuries for him to get on the bench.....Give it till November? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1867 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dronfield Blue said: Hirst is 18.5 years old. At the same age, Rooney had made 67 first team appearances for Everton in the Prem. He is not an embryo, he is a young man. Time for a run out before he takes up walking football. George Hirst isn't Wayne Rooney though. If he was that good he wouldn't still be with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s110wl Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, David1867 said: George Hirst isn't Wayne Rooney though. If he was that good he wouldn't still be with us. Pffffft. Clearly we should decide if our players are any good by comparing them to multiple champions league winners. Cant you see how productive that is?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Joao showed what sort of defenses George has been playing against. GH can only score against the opposition in front of him but from U23 to Championship is a massive step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolihullOwl79 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, OxonOwl said: Joao showed what sort of defenses George has been playing against. GH can only score against the opposition in front of him but from U23 to Championship is a massive step up. I recall similar being said of Jamie Vardy, who is of a slight build just like young Hirst! If Hirst has pace AND acceleration (which he seems to in the highlights of games he's played in at youth level) then with his goal scoring touch he's worth having on the bench to bring on for 15 minutes when opposition legs are tiring at the end! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl84 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 5 hours ago, Blue and white said: Nailed it mate, he has progressed very well and is scoring for fun at u23 level, we either step him up, in which case he would probably sign a new contract or risk losing him for a fee which will be next to nothing set by a tribunal. If he had signed a new deal then he would have got the first team football that he is ready for in League 1 or League 2. If he wasn't called Hirst you wouldn't be pushing for him to be playing in the first team. If he does go next summer we will get more than the 2m that Leicester were offering for him, no lose to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, SolihullOwl79 said: I recall similar being said of Jamie Vardy, who is of a slight build just like young Hirst! If Hirst has pace AND acceleration (which he seems to in the highlights of games he's played in at youth level) then with his goal scoring touch he's worth having on the bench to bring on for 15 minutes when opposition legs are tiring at the end! Ah, but they were saying Vardy had no future. People are not saying that about George. They are saying the future is not now. Vardy went out and played in some physically tough leagues before showing he could do it at the top level. In my opinion and it would seem the opinions of the professionals close to him, is that he needs experience at a higher level than at present but Championship is a step too far at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, owl84 said: If he wasn't called Hirst you wouldn't be pushing for him to be playing in the first team Yes, he'd be like Clare or Stobbs or Thorniley and the others. Edited September 1, 2017 by OxonOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 54 minutes ago, Dronfield Blue said: Hirst is 18.5 years old. At the same age, Rooney had made 67 first team appearances for Everton in the Prem. He is not an embryo, he is a young man. Time for a run out before he takes up walking football. How many other 18.5 year old strikers have made 67 first team appearances by that age? Using the player who went on to become England's all time leading scorer is hardly a fair comparison (I bet George Hirst doesn't go on to score any more than about 40 goals for England) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl84 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, OxonOwl said: Yes, he'd be like Clare or Stobbs or Thorniley and the others. Exactly who are out on loan, learning there trade and looking forward to first team football and improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 That's what George should be doing despite his name being Hirst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etchesketch Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, owl84 said: If he had signed a new deal then he would have got the first team football that he is ready for in League 1 or League 2. If he wasn't called Hirst you wouldn't be pushing for him to be playing in the first team. If he does go next summer we will get more than the 2m that Leicester were offering for him, no lose to the club. You think we'd get more than £2 million from a tribunal. I very much doubt it. Only goes to tribunal if clubs cant agree compensation. Leicester have offered £2 million so compensation figure would be les than that. Not started a game of professional first team football yet. Edited September 1, 2017 by Etchesketch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl84 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, OxonOwl said: That's what George should be doing despite his name being Hirst Agree and playing against seasoned pro's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatevertrevor Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 People keep saying he isn't good enough yet, and perhaps he isn't, but one of the main factors in becoming good enough is having some well managed exposure to first team football. Many seem to suggest that he shouldn't be picked until he is a Championship quality striker - but that isn't really how development of a player works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsie Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Dronfield Blue said: Hirst is 18.5 years old. At the same age, Rooney had made 67 first team appearances for Everton in the Prem. He is not an embryo, he is a young man. Time for a run out before he takes up walking football. It's almost...almost...like they are different people. Maybe people develop at different rates (or, by your analogy, I should have been playing professional football by that age too!). But sorry, I'm getting distracted, lets keep comparing him the greatest international goal scorer this country has ever had. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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