Sham67 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 9 minutes ago, Ian said: 8 wins in 16 won't get you promoted any more than 2 in 10 will 50 points from 25 games will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northeastowl Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 It's not about 1 point better off for me. Its how long we have looked toothless for with the talent we have. Its incredibly boring to watch, add that to poor results and he's got to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) Carlos got a chance now in the next few days to get out who he doesn't want and in who he does. Then about 5 or 6 games to prove he can make it work. Would also like Carlos to have the option of both Hooper and Lee available to him as we won't lose many when both them are in the side. Edited August 28, 2017 by pazowl55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 39 minutes ago, pgmetcalf said: We've only played 5 games We've only got 6 points 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DobbinTheDonkey Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) 23 goals in the last 20 Championship standard matches, with Rhodes, Fletcher, Hooper, FF and Winnall. 5 came in one match, so without the Norwich match it's even more painful, we also conceded 18 before anyone wonders. That is a lot of attacking talent being criminally wasted or we they are not as good as we believe Edited August 28, 2017 by DobbinTheDonkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 41 minutes ago, BIGRUSS said: It will if you draw the other 8 Not last year it wouldn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 38 minutes ago, Sham67 said: 50 points from 25 games will. Not last year it wouldn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookone Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Miffed said: I wonder, had we actually gone on and scored a winner against Sunderland, like we should have, would we looking at things a lot differently? Would that have been considered a much better start? I know it's the old 'if my auntie had balls...' but a decent 2nd half performance against one of the favourites to go up followed by 4 points away (which should be the minimum expectation for a team going up) from home wouldn't have been too shabby. Maybe we would have been better drawing against Fulham and beating Burton then fans might be seeing things differently still? Its these small margins that can make such a difference Dont you come on here talking sense.... it's not the done thing on Owlstalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Said similar yesterday, 4 points from Burton and Fulham is ok. 2 points from qpr, Preston and Sunderland isn't. Could and should've been 6 from the two home games and we'd be in the top 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookone Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 13 minutes ago, DobbinTheDonkey said: 23 goals in the last 20 Championship standard matches, with Rhodes, Fletcher, Hooper, FF and Winnall. 5 came in one match, so without the Norwich match it's even more painful, we also conceded 18 before anyone wonders. That is a lot of attacking talent being criminally wasted or we they are not as good as we believe This is a very good point and whichever side of the camp you currently sit on CC needs to address it before we lose the momentum we have built over the last 2 seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, Bluesteel said: Said similar yesterday, 4 points from Burton and Fulham is ok. 2 points from qpr, Preston and Sunderland isn't. Could and should've been 6 from the two home games and we'd be in the top 4 Long way to go blue...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GY-owl.4 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Miffed said: I wonder, had we actually gone on and scored a winner against Sunderland, like we should have, would we looking at things a lot differently? Would that have been considered a much better start? I know it's the old 'if my auntie had balls...' but a decent 2nd half performance against one of the favourites to go up followed by 4 points away (which should be the minimum expectation for a team going up) from home wouldn't have been too shabby. Maybe we would have been better drawing against Fulham and beating Burton then fans might be seeing things differently still? Its these small margins that can make such a difference High level sport is nearly always based on fine margins. which is why our attitude in games is winding people up so much. only trying to win in the 2nd half reduces the margins further, as does taking your foot off the gas the minute we take a 1 goal lead and trying to settle for that. dem pesky pigs are crap compared to us on paper, thats not me being a baby, its a fact. we should be streets ahead of them but when you factor attitude into the equation - fear (or not) of failure - it brings us closer together. for instance, if we were 2-0 up at home to Derby and they scored 2nd half to make it 2-1, who thinks we would have won the game 3-1? NOT A CHANCE i tell ya. it would either finish 2-1 with us hanging on or it would finish 2-2. this is nowt to do with the make-up of our team, who is on the bench or what the formation is, its about attitude, and ours is all wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark77 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Am i right in thinking that including the end of last season, play offs, and this season so far it's: W7 D5 L2 in our last 14 games in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, mark77 said: Am i right in thinking that including the end of last season, play offs, and this season so far it's: W7 D5 L2 in our last 14 games in the league. You are. But to some, it's not good enough. No manager/head coach will ever meet their expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark77 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Sham67 said: You are. But to some, it's not good enough. No manager/head coach will ever meet their expectations. A this early stage I tend to look at defeats rather than points when looking at the table. Losses hurt you the most over a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark77 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Just looked at last years table after 12 games: Fulham, Reading our ourselves were not in the top 6, Brighton were not top 2 and Bristol City and Birmingham were in the top 6 and nearly went down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I said this last year and I'm sticking with it. I think Carlos is a likeable guy and when the pressure isn't too heavy a good coach and we'll finish in the top 6. The problem for me is I think tactically and bravery wise that's Carlos level a top 6 coach at championship level given a good set of players, we probably need someone the next level of talent to go up. I would love to see this year end in success, but have too many doubts we will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Please give me one more goal, Give me one more goal One more goal Cos I can't wait forever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 4 hours ago, mark77 said: A this early stage I tend to look at defeats rather than points when looking at the table. Losses hurt you the most over a season. Absolute rubbish.....everyone (apart from you it seems) knows that it's draws that hurt you......look at the pigs, lost twice as many as us yet got 50% more points than we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark77 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 30 minutes ago, Ian said: Absolute rubbish.....everyone (apart from you it seems) knows that it's draws that hurt you......look at the pigs, lost twice as many as us yet got 50% more points than we have So why was it the two teams who lost the least amount last season finished 1st and 2nd? If draws kill you why did 4 teams who drew less than 10 games finish 17th, 18th, 21st and 24th? I bet some of those losses they suffered had been draws they would have been higher. Fulham drew a third of their games last season and made the play offs. You can't be basing things off 5 games. Teams will win, lose and draw. Some of those draws may occur earlier in the season than other teams. As I pointed out earlier alot of Bristol City's and Birmingham's wins occurred in the first two months of the season. Table doesn't settle until xmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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