Holmowl Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 It's not Bannan.... So many on here criticize Carlos for fielding Bannan week in week out, but actually the CM he always picks to play CM, is Hutch. Despite Bannan playing all the six wins on the trot in CM, so many posters wanted Hutch back in instead. And Carlos wanted this too. Is part of our problem the fact that Hutch plays CM when fit, and when partly fit? Does he work in a 442? Does he make us play too deep? Is he capable of linking with his CM partner in an attacking sense? Are his interventions generally 25 yards out, rather than 55 yards out, like Lee's and Bannan's? I understand he was off the pace today. Some posters have been less polite. Others say he looked unfit. Then why on earth is he playing? He is our ONLY other CB. If Loovens gets crocked on Saturday, and today's match puts Hutch out for a handful of games, we take on oppos with Lees and Pudil at CB. I think we have better CMs than Hutch, and that he is essential as at least cover for CB, if not in fact a starting place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkowl Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 I make you right we are keeping better midfielders out of the team to fit Hutch in,when he should be one of our best defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Hutch carried the team last season for about 3 months. Hutch is not the problem, it's Carlos telling Bannan to stand next to him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee A Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Bannan and Hutchinson don't play CM Central midfielders go forward and offer support and creativity in attack, our midfield is simply a failed attempt at playing 4 centre halves, barely crossed into Preston's half today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share Posted August 5, 2017 1 minute ago, jonnyowl said: Hutch carried the team last season for about 3 months. Hutch is not the problem, it's Carlos telling Bannan to stand next to him! U say that, but I was just reading in a different thread about how we don't press high up any more. What chance have we got to press high up, when Hutch plays so deep? What would our midfield look like if Bannan started pressing 40 yards from our oppos goal, leaving a 30 yard gaping chasm between he and Sam? When we were at our best, Bannan, Lee, Wallace and FF were terriers high up the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Hutchinson is overrated regardless of our deluded views on him. He is basically a centre half playing four foot (at best) further up the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roundhayowl Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 100% and been saying it for ages. Hutch is a centre half, not a centre mid. His good run of form last season coincided with our worst run of performances (yes we got results but it was hard to watch). Today, he couldn't even get a foot in. Waste of a CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robowl4life Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 The best pairing in CM when all fit would be Lee/Abdi with Hutch. As hutch naturally stays back allowing Lee/Abdi to get forward. Although I'd really like to see Lee and Abdi together... we seem to have broken them both though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 I believe both of these players are good players in the right system. The tactics are crippling the whole side. The tactics that have caused us to only have 10 shots on target in the last 6 games despite our striking options. No width in the side. No pace. Nothing created at all for some of the best attacking players in the league. Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvin Parsnip Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Has to be Lee and Abdi when they are fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share Posted August 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said: I believe both of these players are good players in the right system. The tactics are crippling the whole side. The tactics that have caused us to only have 10 shots on target in the last 6 games despite our striking options. No width in the side. No pace. Nothing created at all for some of the best attacking players in the league. Nothing. 10 shots. You sure? PNE udders udders ipswich derby QPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 I would drop both Hutch and Bannan. Lee/ Jones or Lee / Abdi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, Holmowl said: 10 shots. You sure? PNE udders udders ipswich derby QPR The stat may have been in reference to pre season games to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwqe Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 They both play too deep. If they play together one of them has to be further up field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 35 minutes ago, Holmowl said: It's not Bannan.... So many on here criticize Carlos for fielding Bannan week in week out, but actually the CM he always picks to play CM, is Hutch. Despite Bannan playing all the six wins on the trot in CM, so many posters wanted Hutch back in instead. And Carlos wanted this too. Is part of our problem the fact that Hutch plays CM when fit, and when partly fit? Does he work in a 442? Does he make us play too deep? Is he capable of linking with his CM partner in an attacking sense? Are his interventions generally 25 yards out, rather than 55 yards out, like Lee's and Bannan's? I understand he was off the pace today. Some posters have been less polite. Others say he looked unfit. Then why on earth is he playing? He is our ONLY other CB. If Loovens gets crocked on Saturday, and today's match puts Hutch out for a handful of games, we take on oppos with Lees and Pudil at CB. I think we have better CMs than Hutch, and that he is essential as at least cover for CB, if not in fact a starting place. When they are all fit we will see Bannan, Hutchinson and Lee all in the midfield. It's so so predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share Posted August 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, pwqe said: They both play too deep. If they play together one of them has to be further up field CMs have to work as a tight unit. out of possession, if one gets a nick or a block his partner needs to be near to win second ball. Moving upfield they need to be tied together so one has a partner to pass to or to help him out of a hole. Hutch doesn't do this. He just sits deep. The partner, whether Bannan, Lee, Abdi, can't stray too far upfield, or risks leaving a huge void in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DobbinTheDonkey Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 We had 20 minutes today without Hutch. Chances created 0 Goals conceded 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almat Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Controversial opinion alert - Hutch is actually a right back (he thinks so himself apparently). He could be the best RB in the league as well. Just a tad too short to play CB regularly imo (even though he almost plays CB when named in midfield). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Hutchinson and Bannan just don't work in a two,especially with Reach on the wing. if we do insist on playing them then at least put Forestieri Left wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, DobbinTheDonkey said: We had 20 minutes today without Hutch. Chances created 0 Goals conceded 1 Hutch in midfield is the least of our problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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