lukestheman82 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 5 hours ago, malek said: Hirst will play for U-23's. Say whatever you want, but in my opinion it is job of club's manager to bring youth through and develop them. There is absolutly no way that only objective put in front of Carlos should be to get us promoted. Not to be missunderstood, result is by far most important, but it is not the only target that should be put infront of manager. Any manager. I agree, if not for the clubs sake, but the kids themselves. How many really ralented kids careers are and have been wasted at the likes of Manchester City, Chelsea ect. Ofcourse success is paramount, but it shouldnt be at the detriment of developing the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northeastowl Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 He's not going to stay anyway so I'd be looking to get him in the shop window and try to get as much cash for him as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debram Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 On 28/07/2017 at 12:48, Grandad said: Would love to see the lad start the game... Surely with his scoring boots on at his current level hes due a chance? Championship is a different level, cc would know if he was ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viva hate Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Doubt it the big lump will play instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwqe Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Did he play for under 23s today? If not could be in squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Just now, pwqe said: Did he play for under 23s today? If not could be in squad I believe he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwqe Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Okay cheers Mr Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUMBELOWS91 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, pwqe said: Did he play for under 23s today? If not could be in squad First half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 34 minutes ago, lukestheman82 said: I agree, if not for the clubs sake, but the kids themselves. How many really ralented kids careers are and have been wasted at the likes of Manchester City, Chelsea ect. Ofcourse success is paramount, but it shouldnt be at the detriment of developing the kids. People have got to stop with this myth that kids who go to Chelsea and City somehow ended up wasting their potential They have the best youth development systems in the country other than Saints Football is a business that relies on the first team being successful - its not a charity to develop careers for young players Virtually nobody gives an absolute shyte about development football A little (true) story - Mickey Adams was boss at Port Vale. Due to injuries they had to promote a young centre back to the first team. The youngster did well but made a mistake which led to the goal that meant a 1-0 loss for Vale. After the match Adams was being interviewed and when told a good positive was the strong performance from the young CB he replied "he cost us the game - he does that 4 more times and i lose my job" Harsh - but thats the reality First team football (which is the only football that matters) is brutal and harsh - its everything It's not a kindergarten to wrap kids in cotton wool - and its certainly not there to be at the detriment of the first team as an experiment in seeing if kids can cut it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) Send him on loan to Sheffield United, and when he starts scoring for them, and they get giddy because they've got a few points, call him back and leave them in the sheeite. Edited July 29, 2017 by theowlsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, scram said: People have got to stop with this myth that kids who go to Chelsea and City somehow ended up wasting their potential They have the best youth development systems in the country other than Saints Football is a business that relies on the first team being successful - its not a charity to develop careers for young players Virtually nobody gives an absolute shyte about development football A little (true) story - Mickey Adams was boss at Port Vale. Due to injuries they had to promote a young centre back to the first team. The youngster did well but made a mistake which led to the goal that meant a 1-0 loss for Vale. After the match Adams was being interviewed and when told a good positive was the strong performance from the young CB he replied "he cost us the game - he does that 4 more times and i lose my job" Harsh - but thats the reality First team football (which is the only football that matters) is brutal and harsh - its everything It's not a kindergarten to wrap kids in cotton wool - and its certainly not there to be at the detriment of the first team as an experiment in seeing if kids can cut it Top post and very true. sadly probably why the national side hasn't won anything for years. In other news Chelsea keeper Matej Delac has been with the club for 8 years yet never played a first team game Work permit issues mean that Matej Dalec cannot play at Stamford Bridge, and he has criss-crossed Europe in a succession of loan spells since 2009 Matej Delac's name, however, is more likely to raise a confused eyebrow from all but the most fanatical Blues supporters. But he is, nevertheless, the club's current longest-serving player as he has spent the last eight years tied to Stamford Bridge while failing to play a single game! The 24-year-old goalkeeper, born in Bosnia but capped for Croatia up to Under-21 level, laughed at his paradoxical situation as he looked back on a Chelsea career of which he has so far spent the entirety out on loan. "I know about that fact, the fact I have the longest-running professional contract with Chelsea," he told Goal . Edited July 29, 2017 by darra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukestheman82 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 18 minutes ago, scram said: People have got to stop with this myth that kids who go to Chelsea and City somehow ended up wasting their potential They have the best youth development systems in the country other than Saints Football is a business that relies on the first team being successful - its not a charity to develop careers for young players Virtually nobody gives an absolute shyte about development football A little (true) story - Mickey Adams was boss at Port Vale. Due to injuries they had to promote a young centre back to the first team. The youngster did well but made a mistake which led to the goal that meant a 1-0 loss for Vale. After the match Adams was being interviewed and when told a good positive was the strong performance from the young CB he replied "he cost us the game - he does that 4 more times and i lose my job" Harsh - but thats the reality First team football (which is the only football that matters) is brutal and harsh - its everything It's not a kindergarten to wrap kids in cotton wool - and its certainly not there to be at the detriment of the first team as an experiment in seeing if kids can cut it I agree with what you say to a point, but, out of Chelsea and Man City's outstanding youth squads, how many have actually established themselves in the first team squad. Ofcourse football is a multi million pound business based on results and managers therefore want succes or hit target from day 1. But surely there has to be a mix between the two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) 31 minutes ago, lukestheman82 said: I agree with what you say to a point, but, out of Chelsea and Man City's outstanding youth squads, how many have actually established themselves in the first team squad. Ofcourse football is a multi million pound business based on results and managers therefore want succes or hit target from day 1. But surely there has to be a mix between the two? But that's sort of the point. If Harry Kane got injured and was out for weeks it's unlikely that Spurs would bring in a youngster from their squad. More likely they'd, depending on the time of year, bring in or buy a proven goal scorer. If Rhodes, Forestieri, Fletcher or Hooper got injured I reckon it's still unlikely Hirst would get a start,bench at best Edited July 29, 2017 by darra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 13 minutes ago, lukestheman82 said: I agree with what you say to a point, but, out of Chelsea and Man City's outstanding youth squads, how many have actually established themselves in the first team squad. Again - another myth of development football It's not necessarily about getting players through to the first team but about running a productive system - its totally unrealistic to expect the best teams in the world to have a youth development system that consistently produces first team players I'd bet that Chelsea's system pays for itself - easily. From their perspective - job done Most systems are run at a substantial loss - as will ours There isn't a clamour to mix first team with academy graduates - all fans want is a successful first team. End of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 I suspect that part of Chelsea, Man City's et al's youth policy is to hoover up promising youngsters before the others do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukestheman82 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 17 minutes ago, darra said: I suspect that part of Chelsea, Man City's et al's youth policy is to hoover up promising youngsters before the others do. This what i mean. And how many of those kids stagnate on huge salaries whilst playing youth football and never reaching there potential. Yes i get everyone wants instant success, but to stop or delay a promising kids development for it is wrong IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 3 hours ago, darra said: Top post and very true. sadly probably why the national side hasn't won anything for years. In other news Chelsea keeper Matej Delac has been with the club for 8 years yet never played a first team game Work permit issues mean that Matej Dalec cannot play at Stamford Bridge, and he has criss-crossed Europe in a succession of loan spells since 2009 Matej Delac's name, however, is more likely to raise a confused eyebrow from all but the most fanatical Blues supporters. But he is, nevertheless, the club's current longest-serving player as he has spent the last eight years tied to Stamford Bridge while failing to play a single game! The 24-year-old goalkeeper, born in Bosnia but capped for Croatia up to Under-21 level, laughed at his paradoxical situation as he looked back on a Chelsea career of which he has so far spent the entirety out on loan. "I know about that fact, the fact I have the longest-running professional contract with Chelsea," he told Goal . Then again, Inter Zaprešić gave Delac chance while he was still 16 years old, and for couple of years paid all their bills from money they got from his sale to Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 It's not just Hirst, Matt Penney a left back is ready to step up and be given a go in my opinion. We aren't blessed there Pudil is getting on and I don't rate Fox especially defensively, but as the above poster put CC won't bring through youth he needs promotion. So he'll play Reach there instead. Ive said this before an got slated but we have an over inflated forward line which we need to trim which is the only way Hirst will get a chance. I'd sell Winnall and Fletcher not because there bad players but because they IMO don't suit us and won't get enough game time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUMBELOWS91 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, darra said: Top post and very true. sadly probably why the national side hasn't won anything for years. In other news Chelsea keeper Matej Delac has been with the club for 8 years yet never played a first team game Work permit issues mean that Matej Dalec cannot play at Stamford Bridge, and he has criss-crossed Europe in a succession of loan spells since 2009 Matej Delac's name, however, is more likely to raise a confused eyebrow from all but the most fanatical Blues supporters. But he is, nevertheless, the club's current longest-serving player as he has spent the last eight years tied to Stamford Bridge while failing to play a single game! The 24-year-old goalkeeper, born in Bosnia but capped for Croatia up to Under-21 level, laughed at his paradoxical situation as he looked back on a Chelsea career of which he has so far spent the entirety out on loan. "I know about that fact, the fact I have the longest-running professional contract with Chelsea," he told Goal . It's almost irrelevant to Chelsea that he can't play because of his work permit situation, because if he proved to be good enough by his performances out on loan he'd probably pick up some full international caps, and consequently he'd have a good case for a work permit. Edited July 30, 2017 by RUMBELOWS91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Dutch McLovin said: It's not just Hirst, Matt Penney a left back is ready to step up and be given a go in my opinion. We aren't blessed there Pudil is getting on and I don't rate Fox especially defensively, but as the above poster put CC won't bring through youth he needs promotion. So he'll play Reach there instead. Ive said this before an got slated but we have an over inflated forward line which we need to trim which is the only way Hirst will get a chance. I'd sell Winnall and Fletcher not because there bad players but because they IMO don't suit us and won't get enough game time. if hirst is a better player than fletch or winnall then I agree if not then your weakening the squad . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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