Beholder Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 The winning run at the end that delivered us into 4th place was more of reflective of the ability of this team. Keeping players like Hooper and Lee fit is the key. Also we have options in Abdi and Boyd. If we hit the ground running, we can achieve top 2- even without a new defender ( but we will sign one). Verdict- top 2. If we aren't on course we need a new manager. No excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 40 minutes ago, Bodhidharma said: The winning run at the end that delivered us into 4th place was more of reflective of the ability of this team. Keeping players like Hooper and Lee fit is the key. Also we have options in Abdi and Boyd. If we hit the ground running, we can achieve top 2- even without a new defender ( but we will sign one). Verdict- top 2. If we aren't on course we need a new manager. No excuses. I would doubt that, we were quite a way off last season. Also, a lot of the time we were not particularly convincing, for a play off side, how many times did we win by three or more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 We haven't done enough in the market to bump us up to automatic. One month left to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryBell Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I never noticed our undrachievement last season in light of our underachievement for the last 24! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryBell Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, wilyfox said: We haven't done enough in the market to bump us up to automatic. One month left to change that. So as BG would have said (if still alive): "If we don't sign anybody this week then we can forget about automatic promotion" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I for one am happy with the squad, we just need that CB and I'd be inclined to agree with the op. We appear to have followed the Brighton model and that's a good way to go. As I've said countless times come the end of the season Carlos will either be a hero or unemployed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonowl Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Did we though? Everybody expected Newcastle and Brighton to be a cut above everybody else and, even allowing for the fact we beat Newcastle twice, both were much stronger than us. We were second best of the rest which included Norwich, Villa, The mighty Fulham, Derby etc. We finished give or take a place either way, exactly where we should have. Its quite possible that Hull and Middlesborough could be way too good for the rest of us this season and we could have a great season only to finish 3rd. If you look at the teams in the championship now, an argument could be made that if we finished any higher than 4th this year, we will have over achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 10 minutes ago, gurujuan said: I would doubt that, we were quite a way off last season. Also, a lot of the time we were not particularly convincing, for a play off side, how many times did we win by three or more? Since when was that a measure of anything? All that matters is scoring one more than the opposites. I think we were unlucky with injuries last season. Hooper was a big miss when he didn't play. As was Lee. This team is good enough to make top 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 We really need to strengthen further to be a top 2 side. We aren't far off which is the really frustrating thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bodhidharma said: This team is good enough to make top 2. Indeed, and I believe we were over the second two thirds of the season. We can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 9 minutes ago, Bodhidharma said: Since when was that a measure of anything? All that matters is scoring one more than the opposites. I think we were unlucky with injuries last season. Hooper was a big miss when he didn't play. As was Lee. This team is good enough to make top 2. We weren't good enough last year - Brighton and Newcastle were streets ahead - this year could be tougher - a lot of teams have strengthened, Boro look sound, Villa should be better, Norwich may gel this year. We may look back on last year and feel it was a huge waste of an opportunity. We should have beaten Huddersfield and could have beaten Reading - and it wasn't fan negativity that got in the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 We massively overachieved, imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, rickygoo said: We weren't good enough last year - Brighton and Newcastle were streets ahead - this year could be tougher - a lot of teams have strengthened, Boro look sound, Villa should be better, Norwich may gel this year. We may look back on last year and feel it was a huge waste of an opportunity. We should have beaten Huddersfield and could have beaten Reading - and it wasn't fan negativity that got in the way. I think having too many players half fit or injured hindered us in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Just now, Bodhidharma said: I think having too many players half fit or injured hindered us in the playoffs. I think going to Huddersfield - who we'd beaten twice - and completely surrendering the initiative by playing in such a supine way set a tone that gave them confidence that they could match us. But obviously it's all guesswork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBarmy Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Why does everyone go on about Lee being a big miss? We had him up to Newcastle and we were poor then. Hooper was our biggest miss by a mile. Lee wouldn't get in my 11 if everyone's fit. Not a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ArmyBarmy said: Why does everyone go on about Lee being a big miss? We had him up to Newcastle and we were poor then. Hooper was our biggest miss by a mile. Lee wouldn't get in my 11 if everyone's fit. Not a chance Lee was unfit or injured for the whole of last season. Fully fit he is without a doubt our best player. Edited July 28, 2017 by Bodhidharma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueOwl Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) I wouldn't say we under achieved so much as Norwich, Derby and Villa wildly underachieved and if they are serious competition this season there will be very little gap between 2nd and 8th and the margin for error will be so slim that you loose 1 you'll fall out of the top six, every single team in the hunt will go on massive winning streaks so the final places will be more down to the luck of results elsewhere than team performances because everyone is expected to win just to keep up. If we have a season like that and you think Carlos is cautious now i'm worried we've not seen nothing yet. Edited July 28, 2017 by TrueOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 20 minutes ago, Bodhidharma said: I think having too many players half fit or injured hindered us in the playoffs. The play offs home leg was nothing short of bad tactics and abject failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, Bodhidharma said: Lee was unfit or injured for the whole of last season. Fully fit he is without a doubt our best player. He started the season as the best performing player - and then got injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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