Almat Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, prowl said: Are you sure we desperately needed a goal? Maybe Carlos decided we would be better making sure we didn't concede again and that he thought we would win on penalties. We weren't the best team in that game. Without being inside Carlos's head we will never know. What would you have done? Honestly now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Almat said: 10k/week shouldn't be a problem given the fact McGugan is reportedly on 16k/week and hasn't even got a squad number.... But McGugan is a proven senior player at this level (just doesn't fit in with the manager's plans). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamAP22D Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 He could do with a loan to the conference or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almat Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: But McGugan is a proven senior player at this level (just doesn't fit in with the manager's plans). ...and he's worth far less than Hirst on the open market. It's not like clubs are queueing up to take him off our hands, is it? He's basically un-sellable until his contract runs down then he's worth nowt. Not exactly rocket science... Edited July 27, 2017 by Almat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Just now, Almat said: ...and he's worth far less than Hirst on the open market. It's not like clubs are queueing up to take him off our hands, is it? You make a fair point. I guess if the club values Hirsty at, say £5m due to his potential, then maybe we should pay him what a £5m player would expect to be paid (assuming we don't already)? The worry is every prospect who comes through our academy would point to us giving Hirst a £10k a week contract and say they want that too. Before you know it, we've got a handful of kids, who haven't kicked a first team ball in anger, on stupid money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 20 minutes ago, LiamAP22D said: He could do with a loan to the conference or something. I'd keep Nuhui and loan some of our fans, such as you, to the Russian 4th division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almat Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 1 minute ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: You make a fair point. I guess if the club values Hirsty at, say £5m due to his potential, then maybe we should pay him what a £5m player would expect to be paid (assuming we don't already)? The worry is every prospect who comes through our academy would point to us giving Hirst a £10k a week contract and say they want that too. Before you know it, we've got a handful of kids, who haven't kicked a first team ball in anger, on stupid money. They could only play that kind of hard ball if there was genuine interest from PL clubs. Hirst's advisers can point to that to justify his salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumboldowl Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 1 hour ago, prowl said: Maybe but that is part of toughening him up. Do you seriously think he won't get roughed up in the Championship? It might be more subtle but he will still get clattered. No defender at Championship level is going to let a young lad go past him without checking out if he's going to bottle it if he gets banged about a bit. I seriously hope Hirst is a wonderkid but last season he didn't appear ready for first team duties. At his age a player can come on a lot in a year, no harm in sending him out on loan to see if he's ready. If he is he can come back and score the goals that get us promoted. Of course he would get roughed up in the Championship, but I didn't suggest that he was ready for that level yet, but he most certainly would get roughed up in the lower echelons were the level of refereeing is even worse than it is in the Championship. Consequently I do not agree that there is no harm in sending him out on loan to see if he's ready. That seems to me like sending the young warrior into the jungle to kill a lion in order to prove his manhood. The result could go either way. People with much more experience than any of us on here, are much better placed to make the decision than we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, Almat said: They could only play that kind of hard ball if there was genuine interest from PL clubs. Hirst's advisers can point to that to justify his salary. I doubt Hirst is the only player in our youth set up attracting Premier League interest though. Us fans only really pay most attention to George because of his dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdial Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Get rid of Joao, nuhiu and Matias and give hirst their places in the first team squad. Hopefully someone gets him on loan and we all can see how good he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRUCE LEE Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) If he signs our contract that's on the table, he'll go out on loan If not we'll haggle with Everton until we inevitably have to flog him But while ever he's making headlines, he'll be advised to hold out for more coin Edited July 27, 2017 by BRUCE LEE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamAP22D Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 25 minutes ago, vulva said: I'd keep Nuhui and loan some of our fans, such as you, to the Russian 4th division. Strange man/woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 His 3rd goal yesterday really was quality. Run from well inside his own half and a lovely finish past the keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 No idea if Hirst's hat-trick has already been posted, but here it is. 3rd goal was like his dad vs Hull in the 5-1 many moons ago!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhgate Owl Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Pre season was the chance to get him up against proper professional teams 20 minutes against Donny and rangers would have made sense.just to see how he coped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reallondonowl Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 43 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: I doubt Hirst is the only player in our youth set up attracting Premier League interest though. Us fans only really pay most attention to George because of his dad. Rubbish. Its because the kid is playing out of his skin for club and country - nothing at all to do with his Dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 The hat-trick goal was a virtual replica of his father's against Man City in 1991/2, although he failed to hit the inside of the post like a massive loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Reallondonowl said: Rubbish. Its because the kid is playing out of his skin for club and country - nothing at all to do with his Dad. Might find there are one or two doing likewise in the youth levels. You don't have the success our kids had last season - at pretty much every level - because of one player. Don't forget young George has been talked about for 2 years - long before he started producing for England. Reckon the same would have happened if he was called George Jones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Doyen are showcasing him...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reallondonowl Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 No as Jones is a Welsh name so he wouldn't be getting the accolades for his goals for England as he wouldn't qualify. Scouts don't stare at surnames, they watch matches. Focus on his merits rather than his surname. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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