Earlsfieldowl Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, modboy said: Was it a mistake to rest so many vs fulham I wonder. Perhaps it stunted us Could have a point there - it robbed us of a bit of momentum but we lost to Wolves the season before so it's hard to say for sure. I think it was playing away first - It determined CC's tactics and we never really got going again in the home leg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl 44 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 For me personally it was this one. I was out of the country for the last one and didn't really expect us to win in all honesty. This time I expected us to win. The day after I put up my guard and told people I wasn't that bothered because I thought we'd struggle in the Prem. However after Huddersfield got promoted I now feel sick with envy. With regard to the six match unbeaten run, it always seems to me that whenever a good run comes to an end it takes quite a few games to get back to winning ways again. After the six games we never won another game, losing one and drawing two. This happened earlier in the season I think after another winning run. If we are to maintain consistency we need to bounce straight back after a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 What happened on Monday was a fairy story. Wagner didn't only outperform Carlos, he outperformed every other manager in the division too. The subbing was Carlos' fault, but the loss of Hooper and Wallace weren't. Had those two been fit then it never would have gone to penalties. Sometimes you need a bit of luck, and 'Udders definitely got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Owl 44 said: For me personally it was this one. I was out of the country for the last one and didn't really expect us to win in all honesty. This time I expected us to win. The day after I put up my guard and told people I wasn't that bothered because I thought we'd struggle in the Prem. However after Huddersfield got promoted I now feel sick with envy. With regard to the six match unbeaten run, it always seems to me that whenever a good run comes to an end it takes quite a few games to get back to winning ways again. After the six games we never won another game, losing one and drawing two. This happened earlier in the season I think after another winning run. If we are to maintain consistency we need to bounce straight back after a loss. It was the loss of Hooper. He allows us to play cautiously and score goals too. Without him were toothless up front. Had Hooper not been injured I'm sure we'd have got to the final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Mr Farrell said: The season just gone was horrendous. Not only were we totally awful to watch, but we then failed to give it a go in the play offs. All season, the hope was the end would justify the means. Gutting when we didn't turn up, and a team with a budget not even half ours showed more ambition. The season before, other than again not turning up for the play offs, we over achieved. Hull were better than us, so caution was more justifiable. I always thought that if they turned up we'd lose, and so it proved. Dom Howson said that the loss of Hooper was a great leveller, and he's right. With Hooper fit we'd have gone to the final. Sometimes you need some luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: So those six games still count then? It looked fairly clear to me that Hooper's injury cost us big time in the playoffs. With him in the team, it all knitted together and we had a coherent attack. We tried to replace him with an unfit Forestieri, but he doesn't have the same impact in that role, and so we looked a bit disjointed again. If Hooper is so vital to the way we want to play, we need to find a suitable replacement that we can use when he gets injured, as he's not completed a whole season injury-free with us yet. Yes, you're right. We can be cautious AND bring our forwards into the game with Hooper there. Without him we look toothless. I agree about a replacement, but who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Athelwulf said: Yes, you're right. We can be cautious AND bring our forwards into the game with Hooper there. Without him we look toothless. I agree about a replacement, but who? Good question! But having seen how vital Hooper, or a player like him, is to our system, I'd say we might need to look at shuffling our attacking pack if we want to continue playing the same way. We currently have Rhodes, Fletcher, Winnall, Forestieri, João and Nuhiu who all offer different things, but none of whom are able to replicate what Hooper brings to the team, and none of whom seem to be an obvious pairing to bring the best out of each other. If we are going to bring somebody else in, then surely a couple would have to make way? I just hope if that is part of the plan, that we recruit players who will fit the system we'll be playing, rather than hoping to shoehorn them in. Edited May 31, 2017 by areNOTwhatTHEYseem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsidney Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Wednesday since '77 said: I disagree to an extent. Those six games were the result of a changing of gear. An unstoppable momentum had developed which was taking us to the premier league. But we stopped. We did it. No one else. In three play off games Huddersfield 'scored' a Tom Less own goal to reach the premier league. Unbelievable really. But it's our own fault though. We played the first leg with no adventure and we were so cautious we only have ourselves to blame. We stopped that momentum. We could have and should have killed the tie in the first leg. We will never ever have a greater chance of getting to the premier league. I remain gutted. I said at the time changing the team for Fulham and losing momentum and got shouted down by the usual 'experts' on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramone Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 10 hours ago, SBOwl said: After Wembley we all told ourselves we'd come back stronger, we'd make it next season... We finished 4th after finishing 6th the previous season. I;'d say that was the very definition of 'coming back stronger' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 If Hooper was so important to our style why didn't he bring in backup last January. Needs to make it a priority this summer (unless abdi can do that role) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanye West Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 This season for sure. Played dull football all season and pretty much scraped the play offs. We were also (arguably) by far the best team in the play offs, and just completely whimpered out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Whilst indifferent about Carlos the championship merry go round isn't making me regret our choice of keeping him on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, ramone said: We finished 4th after finishing 6th the previous season. I;'d say that was the very definition of 'coming back stronger' And the second half of the quote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkskaphil Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I thought we'd beat Huddersfield but not Reading, so I wasn't confident we'd win the Play-offs anyway. Reading might not be particularly great, but they're a team we normally struggle against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 This season's play-off defeat was the worst simply because a home win vs Huddersfield and a Wembley win against Reading was as straight forward a path to the Premier League as there is ever likely to be. The previous year, both Brighton and Hull were a fair bit better than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: This season's play-off defeat was the worst simply because a home win vs Huddersfield and a Wembley win against Reading was as straight forward a path to the Premier League as there is ever likely to be. The previous year, both Brighton and Hull were a fair bit better than us. Yes I agree. I made us favourites before the play offs started. Thought we had the extra bit of quality especially up front that normally decides big games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkerowl Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 This year was far worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday since '77 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, kingsidney said: I said at the time changing the team for Fulham and losing momentum and got shouted down by the usual 'experts' on here. I was going to mention that Fulham game too as the one where the intensity and momentum was lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuttyTeabags Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 11 hours ago, RocketOwl said: I have noticed this too. Not sure what your point is mind Speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 hours ago, Mr Farrell said: The season just gone was horrendous. Not only were we totally awful to watch, but we then failed to give it a go in the play offs. All season, the hope was the end would justify the means. Gutting when we didn't turn up, and a team with a budget not even half ours showed more ambition. The season before, other than again not turning up for the play offs, we over achieved. This is it, when you play this type of football, the end really has to justify the means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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