Reach

[lincolnowl]

He needs dropping. 

 

He offered nothing today - not a single cross or a shot. CM went round more players (including the goalkeeper) in 10 minutes  Reach has in all his games put together. 

[bigthinrob]

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R		Player	CM	KG	Apps	Mins	Goals	Assists	Yel	Red	SpG	PS%	AerialsWon	MotM	Rating
1		Sam Hutchinson27, D(C),DMC	182	73	24	2053	2	1	7	1	0.3	87.4	2.1	7	7.32
2		Fernando Forestieri26, AM(CL),FW	172	67	16(5)	1580	7	3	1	1	3.4	80.5	0.6	3	7.26
3		Tom Lees26, D(C)	185	75	25	2219	-	-	1	-	0.8	76.7	5.2	1	7.14
4		Adam Reach23, D(L),M(LR),FW	185	73	20(1)	1780	1	2	3	-	1.5	77.7	0.9	-	7.00
5		Barry Bannan27, M(CLR)	170	60	24	2069	1	4	3	-	1.2	83.6	0.2	-	6.90
6		Daniel Pudil31, D(L),M(L)	185	81	18	1475	1	-	3	-	0.8	79	2.4	-	6.90
7		Kieran Lee28, M(CR)	185	76	23	1979	4	-	4	-	0.7	84	0.9	1	6.89
8		Callum McManaman25, AM(LR),FW	175	74	1(1)	56	-	1	-	-	1	83.3	-	-	6.88
9		Glenn Loovens33, D(C)	190	83	11(3)	996	1	-	2	-	0.2	85.6	1.6	-	6.78
10		Steven Fletcher29, FW	186	76	17(7)	1498	6	2	4	-	2	64	4.1	-	6.77
11		Keiren Westwood32, GK	187	92	24	2059	-	-	2	-	-	47.6	0.8	1	6.77
12		Gary Hooper28, FW	175	71	11(6)	1051	5	2	1	-	1.2	80.4	0.7	1	6.70
13		Vincent Sasso25, D(C)	190	82	2(1)	119	-	-	1	-	0.7	78.4	1.3	-	6.69
14		Jack Hunt26, D(R)	175	71	15(1)	1298	-	-	1	-	0.3	71.2	0.6	-	6.67
15		Cameron Dawson21, Goalkeeper	182	69	2(2)	282	-	-	-	-	-	53.7	-	-	6.64
16		Almen Abdi30, M(CLR)	180	72	8(3)	518	-	-	2	-	1.1	88.3	0.7	-	6.63
17		Liam Palmer25, D(R),DMC,M(R)	188	81	11(5)	1054	-	-	3	-	0.4	76.9	0.5	-	6.58
18		David Jones32, M(C)	185	80	8(8)	878	-	1	-	1	0.4	87.6	0.9	-	6.55
19		Ross Wallace31, AM(R)	168	63	16(8)	1537	1	2	4	-	1.3	80.6	0.1	-	6.52
20		Lucas João23, FW	192	80	7(3)	596	-	1	1	-	1.7	70.7	2.1	-	6.52
21		Josè Semedo32, DMC	181	80	1	47	-	-	-	-	-	96.3	-	-	6.40
22		George Hirst17, Forward	0	0	0(1)	13	-	-	-	-	-	100	-	-	6.20
23		Atdhe Nuhiu27, FW	196	85	2(12)	275	-	-	2	-	0.6	68.9	1.3	-	6.19
24		William Buckley27, AM(R)	183	82	1(7)	208	-	-	-	-	0.4	72.8	0.1	-	6.18
25		Sam Winnall25, FW	175	71	0(1)	45	-	-	-	-	1	93.3	-	-	6.07

 

Mins: Minutes played	Goals: Total goals	Assists: Total assists
Yel: Yellow card	Red: Red card	SpG: Shots per game
PS%: Pass success percentage	AerialsWon: Aerial duels won per game	MotM: Man of the match
CM: Height (in cm)	KG: Weight (in kg)

* Players shaded are players who are not currently active in team (Loaned, sold, etc.).

 

 

 

Do i go with my own eyes and then confirm it with hard nosed facts or do i go with the fact he cost 5 mill and people on owlstalk resent that.

 

Err, is this the same Owlstalk where some said FF should never play for us again and CC should be sacked.

 

Tough decision, but i think i'll go for the former choice!!!!

[debram]

3 hours ago, ewanem said:

what was he like?

indifferent, still sitting on the fence, have doubts though

[wayne4swfc]

17 minutes ago, bigthinrob said:

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R		Player	CM	KG	Apps	Mins	Goals	Assists	Yel	Red	SpG	PS%	AerialsWon	MotM	Rating
1		Sam Hutchinson27, D(C),DMC	182	73	24	2053	2	1	7	1	0.3	87.4	2.1	7	7.32
2		Fernando Forestieri26, AM(CL),FW	172	67	16(5)	1580	7	3	1	1	3.4	80.5	0.6	3	7.26
3		Tom Lees26, D(C)	185	75	25	2219	-	-	1	-	0.8	76.7	5.2	1	7.14
4		Adam Reach23, D(L),M(LR),FW	185	73	20(1)	1780	1	2	3	-	1.5	77.7	0.9	-	7.00
5		Barry Bannan27, M(CLR)	170	60	24	2069	1	4	3	-	1.2	83.6	0.2	-	6.90
6		Daniel Pudil31, D(L),M(L)	185	81	18	1475	1	-	3	-	0.8	79	2.4	-	6.90
7		Kieran Lee28, M(CR)	185	76	23	1979	4	-	4	-	0.7	84	0.9	1	6.89
8		Callum McManaman25, AM(LR),FW	175	74	1(1)	56	-	1	-	-	1	83.3	-	-	6.88
9		Glenn Loovens33, D(C)	190	83	11(3)	996	1	-	2	-	0.2	85.6	1.6	-	6.78
10		Steven Fletcher29, FW	186	76	17(7)	1498	6	2	4	-	2	64	4.1	-	6.77
11		Keiren Westwood32, GK	187	92	24	2059	-	-	2	-	-	47.6	0.8	1	6.77
12		Gary Hooper28, FW	175	71	11(6)	1051	5	2	1	-	1.2	80.4	0.7	1	6.70
13		Vincent Sasso25, D(C)	190	82	2(1)	119	-	-	1	-	0.7	78.4	1.3	-	6.69
14		Jack Hunt26, D(R)	175	71	15(1)	1298	-	-	1	-	0.3	71.2	0.6	-	6.67
15		Cameron Dawson21, Goalkeeper	182	69	2(2)	282	-	-	-	-	-	53.7	-	-	6.64
16		Almen Abdi30, M(CLR)	180	72	8(3)	518	-	-	2	-	1.1	88.3	0.7	-	6.63
17		Liam Palmer25, D(R),DMC,M(R)	188	81	11(5)	1054	-	-	3	-	0.4	76.9	0.5	-	6.58
18		David Jones32, M(C)	185	80	8(8)	878	-	1	-	1	0.4	87.6	0.9	-	6.55
19		Ross Wallace31, AM(R)	168	63	16(8)	1537	1	2	4	-	1.3	80.6	0.1	-	6.52
20		Lucas João23, FW	192	80	7(3)	596	-	1	1	-	1.7	70.7	2.1	-	6.52
21		Josè Semedo32, DMC	181	80	1	47	-	-	-	-	-	96.3	-	-	6.40
22		George Hirst17, Forward	0	0	0(1)	13	-	-	-	-	-	100	-	-	6.20
23		Atdhe Nuhiu27, FW	196	85	2(12)	275	-	-	2	-	0.6	68.9	1.3	-	6.19
24		William Buckley27, AM(R)	183	82	1(7)	208	-	-	-	-	0.4	72.8	0.1	-	6.18
25		Sam Winnall25, FW	175	71	0(1)	45	-	-	-	-	1	93.3	-	-	6.07

 

Mins: Minutes played	Goals: Total goals	Assists: Total assists
Yel: Yellow card	Red: Red card	SpG: Shots per game
PS%: Pass success percentage	AerialsWon: Aerial duels won per game	MotM: Man of the match
CM: Height (in cm)	KG: Weight (in kg)

* Players shaded are players who are not currently active in team (Loaned, sold, etc.).

 

 

 

Do i go with my own eyes and then confirm it with hard nosed facts or do i go with the fact he cost 5 mill and people on owlstalk resent that.

 

Err, is this the same Owlstalk where some said FF should never play for us again and CC should be sacked.

 

Tough decision, but i think i'll go for the former choice!!!!

 

I personally would have rated Sam Winnall a lot more than a 6 today so it just shows that stats don't prove anything, if you insist on looking at the stats then surely mcmanaman deserves a run instead as he's played a lot less and is nearly on the same rating as reach.

[adifferentgame]

1 hour ago, punkassmofo said:

The irony 

 

And people keep telling me Northerners are thick.

 

[IstillhateSteveBould]

I like him. He's an intelligent player and he's put in some very good performances. He does look short of confidence at the moment though. He was ineffective today. 

 

Worst thing for him right now is the crowd getting on his back. Some proper nobheads on the kop today giving him stick. 

 

 

 

 

[Guest ka58]

I think reach will be ok and he's a good player.

 

i also don't think anyone should be shouted down for saying he wasn't great today because he wasnt.

 

what I like about him is he always puts his shift in - by no means a lazy player and gives good support to pudil.

 

what I would say also is that I can't think of a single decent pass / cross  of note or a good run or a moment where he beat a player.

 

needs to start affecting things further up the pitch and not just be pudils protector.

 

 

[vulture_squadron]

Spent most of first half defending. Second half he kept swapping positions with FF and RW and looked handy - used his height in the air to good effect a bit as well. One point he skinned three players and I wMore to come from him definitely.

[stanningtonowl]

2 hours ago, stevie snerklebox said:

In my opinion I think CC hasn't confused any of the players. All he's done is merely confused some who post on here. The old fashioned systems that British football supporters and players were brought up on is long gone. Under Carlos we have a shape and the players work within that framework.

For instance when we play out from the back we go 3-5-2, in press-defence we are 4-5-1, in attack we are 4-4-2 and the players are comfortable back-filling their mates when it necessitates it. It's not "oh he's a left winger, and he's a centre forward" anymore. Players seem very capable of filling other positions despite their "own".

If what we've seen the last 3 and a half matches are Carlos's plans he needs to have a word with himself.Its been awful.Back back sideways back hooooof.

[Guest ka58]

7 minutes ago, vulture_squadron said:

Spent most of first half defending. Second half he kept swapping positions with FF and RW and looked handy - used his height in the air to good effect a bit as well. One point he skinned three players and I wMore to come from him definitely.

 

I don't recall that at all - you haven't mixed him up with when ff rinsed em on the halfway line have you? 

[stanningtonowl]

2 hours ago, bigthinrob said:

 

Looked at the stats, and to be fair his rating isn't the greatest today although he did have more touches than FF so not strictly true he hardly touched it, but hands up, maybe not his greatest game.

 

However, using the exact same criteria and stats it shows he is the 4th most useful player in the squad, so maybe a bit of a witch hunt going on because of his transfer fee and maybe some people see what they want to see. Which on today's evidence possibly includes me, or maybe i just don't like players singled out when it isn't universally deserved!

I would really be happy if he produced great performances week after week. Was excited when we signed him, but he seems a shadow of the player we thought we were getting. Either he's 4.5 mill over priced or Carlos is asking him to play a role he isn't happy with but dare not complain in case he is sidelined the same as Abdi, Magugan, Lachman etc. Shame but something needs to change. 

[stanningtonowl]

33 minutes ago, IstillhateSteveBould said:

I like him. He's an intelligent player and he's put in some very good performances. 

 

 

 

 

When?

[Ronio]

I like the player.  

 

One thing I don't get is why did we give him the no.9 shirt.  

 

I'd much prefer no.9 being given to one of our top strikers. 

[IstillhateSteveBould]

2 minutes ago, stanningtonowl said:

When?

 

Bristol City at home

Cardiff away

Barnsley at home 

 

Just off the top of my head. 

 

 

 

 

[bigthinrob]

39 minutes ago, wayne4swfc said:

 

I personally would have rated Sam Winnall a lot more than a 6 today so it just shows that stats don't prove anything, if you insist on looking at the stats then surely mcmanaman deserves a run instead as he's played a lot less and is nearly on the same rating as reach.

 

"There are lies, damn lies and statistics".

 

I still feel however, that the most outrageous statistics are preferable to a witch hunt against a 23 year old player, who runs his b****ocks off and his only crime seems to be that he cost 5 Mill !!

 

Ps. Stats don't prove anything, but by the same token, Opta stats are the yardstick used to assess all aspects of individual contribution at any given time throughout the game. You personally may have assessed Sam Winnall as a lot more than a 6 and i wouldn't disagree, but they take a scientific approach to it, devoid of our bias or emotional assessment.

 

Also as with any stats, it is much easier to impress over a very short period (McManaman & Winnall) than it is for Reach (20 games).

 

Don't really get the degree of criticism of Reach to be honest and this (whatever you think of them) is backed up by the stats over 20 games.

[Lord Snooty]

4 minutes ago, Ronio said:

I like the player.  

 

One thing I don't get is why did we give him the no.9 shirt.  

 

I'd much prefer no.9 being given to one of our top strikers. 

 

Welcome to Club Dinosaur, brother.

[bigthinrob]

12 minutes ago, stanningtonowl said:

I would really be happy if he produced great performances week after week. Was excited when we signed him, but he seems a shadow of the player we thought we were getting. Either he's 4.5 mill over priced or Carlos is asking him to play a role he isn't happy with but dare not complain in case he is sidelined the same as Abdi, Magugan, Lachman etc. Shame but something needs to change. 

 

You quote me, but fail to refer to the fact that he is 4th in the ratings list of all our playing staff.  Hardly an unmitigated disaster.

 

Abdi is injured.

McGugan, & Lachman are clearly not good enough!

[vulture_squadron]

21 minutes ago, ka58 said:

 

I don't recall that at all - you haven't mixed him up with when ff rinsed em on the halfway line have you? 

He was in the middle. He lost it after going past 3. Shades of Alan Quinn!

[Owly Mowly]

I thought when he moved more infield in the second half to snuff out there passing game it changed the game. He does get through a lot of work and does a good job for the team I think

[stanningtonowl]

21 minutes ago, bigthinrob said:

 

You quote me, but fail to refer to the fact that he is 4th in the ratings list of all our playing staff.  Hardly an unmitigated disaster.

 

Abdi is injured.

McGugan, & Lachman are clearly not good enough!

I didn't fail to refer to anything. I don't care what the stats say. I go on what I see week after week. I want Reach to do well because we benefit if he does. However what I see is poor week after week. Oh and I don't believe Abdi is injured eiither. And McGugan is a better player/sub than Semedo or Sogou so don't agree he isn't good enough.