sage owl Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Anyone who thinks Jordan Rhodes wouldn't improve our first team really isn't worth talking to on any football related subject. His movement makes things easier for those supplying the ammunition he takes a high proportion of chances that are offered to him. What else would you want ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horny owl Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 1 minute ago, sage owl said: Anyone who thinks Jordan Rhodes wouldn't improve our first team really isn't worth talking to on any football related subject. His movement makes things easier for those supplying the ammunition he takes a high proportion of chances that are offered to him. What else would you want ?. Abserfuckinlutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 37 minutes ago, bigthinrob said: Not arguing about FFs value to the team. he is irreplaceable and having read your reply can sort of see your logic, but selling FF would not make sense in any shape or form, no matter who it was to finance. I cannot see in any situation FF being used to fund other purchases it would just make no sense. (SO we are basically in agreement on that). As for Strikers of Rhodes quality being loaned. Glenn Murray aint doing bad for Brighton. Apologies if my original reply was a bit sharp. I had just got back from Preston and still a bit giddy from the goal. No one is irreplaceable, including Forestieri. The trick is doing it in a way that improves the team. The fact that we have so little creativity is worrying and the fact that FF is tempremental and can be "got at" is doubly so. I would sooner have two creative midfielders in the side than just the one. If FF leaving enabled that to happen it might just be enough to sort the problem out. We should rule nothing out. As far as Rhodes is concerned right now we are short up front (especially given the question marks over Hooper's fitness) and given the right service he is absolutely lethal. A front two of Fletcher (who does a lot of donkey work) and Rhodes might just be the ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage owl Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 1 minute ago, S_W_F_C said: So you think we'd have won today had Rhodes started instead of Dave. Think carefully about your answer. I don't remember a single chance or shot at goal before the equaliser. Read the bit about a forwards movement helping those who supply the ammunition. Took me years to learn about movement when I played ( at a decent level ) up front. I like Nuihu 's commitment but he has the mobility of a full size snooker table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike312 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Is Rhodes that mobile? I have only seen him against us and on tv but he didn't seem any more mobile than Hooper or Fletcher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigthinrob Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 14 minutes ago, S_W_F_C said: So you think we'd have won today had Rhodes started instead of Dave. Think carefully about your answer. I don't remember a single chance or shot at goal before the equaliser. Think you're slightly twisting what i said. I said the team would be improved. Whether that would have made any difference today is open to question. I'll turn your question on it's head. Do you think he would have made a difference against Rotherham bearing in mind the early chances we missed that he wouldn't have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Utah Owl said: No one is irreplaceable, including Forestieri. The trick is doing it in a way that improves the team. The fact that we have so little creativity is worrying and the fact that FF is tempremental and can be "got at" is doubly so. I would sooner have two creative midfielders in the side than just the one. If FF leaving enabled that to happen it might just be enough to sort the problem out. We should rule nothing out. As far as Rhodes is concerned right now we are short up front (especially given the question marks over Hooper's fitness) and given the right service he is absolutely lethal. A front two of Fletcher (who does a lot of donkey work) and Rhodes might just be the ticket. Replacing Forestieri with Rhodes, would hardly add to our creativity. Him and Fletcher would be the sort of partnership that would have been deemed good, 5 years ago. Now, it's a bit basic, there's a lot more quality in this league, and Forestieri gives us a place at the table Edited December 31, 2016 by gurujuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigthinrob Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Just now, S_W_F_C said: If you referring to the chance Joao had he would have certainly troubled the keeper yes, no question. I will ask you a question back. Would you prefer Jordan Rhodes or Tom Huddlestone if we were to spend 12m on someone? Me personally, Jordan Rhodes. Always wanted him for Wednesday ever since he single handedly demolished us playing for Huddersfield. I saw something there i hadn't seen since Hirsty and it has always stuck with me ever since. So maybe my opinion is based on something other than logic!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin West's Quiff Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Tom huddlestone 12 million really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike1867 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 18 minutes ago, S_W_F_C said: So you think we'd have won today had Rhodes started instead of Dave. Think carefully about your answer. I don't remember a single chance or shot at goal before the equaliser. 10 minutes ago, sage owl said: Read the bit about a forwards movement helping those who supply the ammunition. Took me years to learn about movement when I played ( at a decent level ) up front. I like Nuihu 's commitment but he has the mobility of a full size snooker table. Sage Owl you are spot on. I've said this numerous times. If you are a midfielder, it is so much easier to hit 5sq yards around a moving target than 1sq yard in front of a static target. Dave, God bless him, does a great mannequin impression. As a midfielder receives the ball, the first thing his eye is drawn to is movement. As most opposing midfielders have their back to this movement, the midfielder receiving the ball is at an advantage immediately. Sorry but this is a basic concept to grasp. Had Rhodes been playing today, I believe 100% we would have created more and it MAY have been a very different outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 6 minutes ago, sage owl said: Read the bit about a forwards movement helping those who supply the ammunition. Took me years to learn about movement when I played ( at a decent level ) up front. I like Nuihu 's commitment but he has the mobility of a full size snooker table. Then you, better than anyone will know how deflating it is running the channels, going wide or dropping a little deep when the midfield turns. Only to start again from square one. I think Carlos is on top of the problem in sorting the 2 from 3 or 4 who will be in the middle of the 4 with hopefully some probing round the back by our wide men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaddyOwl Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 10 minutes ago, bigthinrob said: Think you're slightly twisting what i said. I said the team would be improved. Whether that would have made any difference today is open to question. I'll turn your question on it's head. Do you think he would have made a difference against Rotherham bearing in mind the early chances we missed that he wouldn't have? Its not just Rotherham where we failed to score Brentford Ipswich Derby Reading All were winnable but we could not score Reading stands out to me 5-6 clear chances with no clinical finish then we get punished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York_Owl Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 15 minutes ago, bigthinrob said: Think you're slightly twisting what i said. I said the team would be improved. Whether that would have made any difference today is open to question. I'll turn your question on it's head. Do you think he would have made a difference against Rotherham bearing in mind the early chances we missed that he wouldn't have? We'd have beaten newcastle 3-0 with Rhodes up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin West's Quiff Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Just now, S_W_F_C said: My point is this. We need someone in the centre of the park that will cover hutch if we lose him. Now Huddlestone won't be coming here, we'd be shopping for somebody far cheaper, but people think Rhodes is some kind of magic wand, he isn't. The holes in our squad are in in other areas. I wasn't having a go . More diame who took the pics at Wembley cost Newcastle 4.5 mill that's all abdi cost us 4 mill . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin West's Quiff Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Just now, Colin West's Quiff said: I wasn't having a go . More diame who took the pics at Wembley cost Newcastle 4.5 mill that's all abdi cost us 4 mill . Or even mo and wee wee damn auto spell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin West's Quiff Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Just now, S_W_F_C said: Good point but Diame would have only dropped out of the prem for one team, the one he signed for. Diame would be a dream signing but we won't be signing players like that till we get promoted. Agreed I was only asking because huddlestone ain't a 12mill player . But has abdi proved he is .5 of our mill off Diame . Sorry to say not yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 5 minutes ago, S_W_F_C said: Good point but Diame would have only dropped out of the prem for one team, the one he signed for. Diame would be a dream signing but we won't be signing players like that till we get promoted. Has he found his way out of Hutchinson's pocket yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage owl Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 15 minutes ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said: Then you, better than anyone will know how deflating it is running the channels, going wide or dropping a little deep when the midfield turns. Only to start again from square one. I think Carlos is on top of the problem in sorting the 2 from 3 or 4 who will be in the middle of the 4 with hopefully some probing round the back by our wide men. The front twq today didn't offer that variation of movement did they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darklord Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Love a Diame bar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupremeOwl Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Just now, darklord said: Love a Diame bar Best bit of Ikea for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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