Southie_Owl Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Mishowl said: I think you raise an interesting point. I will admit that I'm in the 'all that matters is winning' camp but others may well think the style is more important than results. Im guessing Big Sam will find himself at someone like Norwich and sort them out. the trouble I'm having lately is whether we're getting the most out of the squad we have now. People keep saying we will click soon but that was in September so will see how the next month or two go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfmanjack Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 19 hours ago, Greenhgate Owl said: had the best budget tbf..do you think he'd do better than gray,laws and sturrock with the budget they had ? Regardless of budget, the football would still be better. It's about the mindset of the coach. If you gave Stuart Gray millions to spend, his style would still be safety first, set out not to lose, rather than to win, football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 4 hours ago, gurujuan said: Theres truth in this, though I wouldn't use it as a stick to beat Carlos with. As I've mentioned before, Barcelona have tried it with all their creative talent, but needed to draft in six footers Busquets and Rakatic to give them the platform from which to launch their attacks. On our day, we can play some delightful football, but because the balance isn't quite right, we won't consistently get the results a team with our creative players should. You have to earn the right to play your football. Yesterday, I thought we had that platform though. Yesterday he got it spot om but was let down by poor finishing, the game should have been over by half time. Patience is required rather than panic at the mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 5 hours ago, gurujuan said: Theres truth in this, though I wouldn't use it as a stick to beat Carlos with. As I've mentioned before, Barcelona have tried it with all their creative talent, but needed to draft in six footers Busquets and Rakatic to give them the platform from which to launch their attacks. On our day, we can play some delightful football, but because the balance isn't quite right, we won't consistently get the results a team with our creative players should. You have to earn the right to play your football. Yesterday, I thought we had that platform though. All teams want good all-rounders. Had Sheridan been 6 inches taller, had he had an extra yard of pace and been able to tackle, then he wouldn't have been here. So you're right. You need Palmer to partner him, and we lack that balance. It's the old entertaining football/winning football problem. Chelsea won the European Cup playing the latter. Arsenal would have tried to play the former, and would have been ejected from the competition by Barcelona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full fathom five Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cersei Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 22 hours ago, hirstysboots said: Simple no, but some additional words - best manager we've had in decades, he gets sacked and there's a season ticket going free to the first claimant. The best manager we have had in decades has spent 30 million more than Gray and has done nothing with it. We still have no form, we still struggle for goals, we still don't know what our style is. Yes last season was great but it's becoming a distant memory, this season we look like the Gray side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Cersei said: The best manager we have had in decades has spent 30 million more than Gray and has done nothing with it. We still have no form, we still struggle for goals, we still don't know what our style is. Yes last season was great but it's becoming a distant memory, this season we look like the Gray side. When we sent out on this journey I understood that we would decide on a club style, a head coach would come in to coach that style. Each position would need certain attributes and we would sign players who fit that mould. This ethos would run through all levels of the club from first team to the most junior team. If a player left we would have a list of players who could be signed who could fulfil the same requirements, the balance and style of play would remain and we would move forward by buying better players to fill each position as time went by. So what changed? This year we introduced new players , we changed our style, stopped closing down, started trying to fit square pegs in round holes until yesterday we went back to pretty much what we were doing last year. Can we decide who we are and what we are, then get back to what we did best last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 9 minutes ago, prowl said: Can we decide who we are and what we are, then get back to what we did best last year. That got us to 6th in a poor division Some people seem to think we missed out on auto promotion by a goal or something What we did last season won't be good enough to get us promoted this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chow Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 wouldn't get rid of carlos because I like his football even though he tends to play a lot of players out of position, but the recruitment side of things is questionable. Maybe bring a head of recruitment in to help out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 The recruitment isn't questionable The ability to get a decent tune out of good players might be though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbone Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Recruitment is Chansiri's fault, not CC's. It amazes me that nobody seems to grasp this, then I remember I'm trying to reason with knee-jerk football fans who were probably thinking about getting CC tattoos in May, but now want him sacked. CC said pre-season he gave a list to the chairman of who he wanted. Do you really think he just picked players that were free transfers and unwanted by their clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Don't see why either bannan or Lee are undroppable And Buckley is lightning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbone Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, S_W_F_C said: Really scram it is questionable. Bannan and Lee are basically undropable so where is the value on a 29 & 31 year old for big money and big wages? Then the other issue he failed to address. No pace Right, so you honestly believe that CC didn't think once about trying to bring in a player with pace this summer? You don't think at all that it is possible that he suggested a number of targets to Mr Chansiri and Mr Chansiri refused to pay the asking price?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbone Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, S_W_F_C said: Given his backing to date as long as it was realistic then I think he'd have backed him So we signed free transfers and players unwanted at their current clubs. You don't think CC said to the chairman we need to sign higher calibre players and pay for them if you want to get promoted? Unfortunately for CC, that is "realistic" for Chansiri. He wasn't prepared to pay the money we needed to steal from a key Championship rival, i.e. Dunk, Hanley, Knockaert, McCormack Edited November 20, 2016 by Carbone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swfc-dan Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) 11 minutes ago, scram said: Don't see why either bannan or Lee are undroppable And Buckley is lightning Then why the heck does Buckley never play. I really don't get the feeling CC rates him, he's probably the best proper winger we have now. Edited November 20, 2016 by swfc-dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbone Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, S_W_F_C said: I'm talking realistic and not one of the above are. Why on earth would Brighton sell either of those to us? The other two went to relegated clubs, with far more financial clout than we have. So who is realistic? Who do you know then that CC should have asked Mr Chansiri to sign that he didn't because he's clueless? Hopefully you'll realise soon you're talking nonsense blaming the manager for recruitment. It is down to the owner. Edited November 20, 2016 by Carbone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 9 hours ago, Carbone said: So we signed free transfers and players unwanted at their current clubs. You don't think CC said to the chairman we need to sign higher calibre players and pay for them if you want to get promoted? Unfortunately for CC, that is "realistic" for Chansiri. He wasn't prepared to pay the money we needed to steal from a key Championship rival, i.e. Dunk, Hanley, Knockaert, McCormack McCormack has 2 goals this season btw. In hindsight that could have neen a very expensive problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hodgy swfc Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sl-OWL-ly Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 17 hours ago, Wolfmanjack said: Regardless of budget, the football would still be better. It's about the mindset of the coach. If you gave Stuart Gray millions to spend, his style would still be safety first, set out not to lose, rather than to win, football. Like against Leeds you mean ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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