Forestieri

[Beauchief Owl]

Fessi's been happy with his contract the last couple of months when he's been doing nowt. Then come first match of the season he refuses to play and has to be

persuaded. Indefensible!

[Athelwulf]

The point is, though, does Chansiri know his onions in this particular market? Chansiri wants to get his trembling hands on the £150 million promotion prize money, and losing prize footballing assets isn't the way to go about it. What Chansiri will learn, to his (and our) cost, is that the players hold the power in the modern game. Brian Clough wouldn't have won many European Cups in this day and age with his attitude. I'm not saying what occurs today is right, I'm just saying that it is what it is. If your key player is on £35 000 a week, it's probably not a good idea to pay a centre half £25 000 a week unless you're prepared to give the former a pay rise.

[bigthinrob]

36 minutes ago, SiJ said:

Let's be fair here...the lads pretty much made his position at the club untenable. 

 

Even if he was "rehabilitated" they'll still be a huge mark against him and frankly you'd still expect him to leave sooner rather than later. 

Can't argue with that, but i would still make sure he is put through the mill for a while and have to suffer the consequences of his actions, both because he deserves to & also to deter any others in the future.

 

If at some stage we decide to move him on, it will be on our terms not his or his agent's and when it suits us not them.

 

If in the meantime if we get game time out of him then so be it, he won't be able to sulk as he would be in the shop window if still looking for his move.

 

If things blow over after a time, then people have short memories & things move on.

 

Either way, better than giving him what he supposedly wants immediately, which clearly DC has no intention of doing anyway.

 

 

[fife_owl]

I guess there will be meeting today.  If FF doesn't apologise, I don't see how he can be allowed to train with the rest of the squad.

FF will be in limbo unless a foreign or premier league club comes in for him.  

[marshy]

So, has anyone got their camera phone at the ready to see if he shows up for training on his bike?

[modboy]

Bet he's not the first that's refused to play. As sky said many players are more cunning and use injuries as cover for refusing to play. 

[Guest Coyt]

3 minutes ago, bigthinrob said:

Can't argue with that, but i would still make sure he is put through the mill for a while and have to suffer the consequences of his actions, both because he deserves to & also to deter any others in the future.

 

If at some stage we decide to move him on, it will be on our terms not his or his agent's and when it suits us not them.

 

If in the meantime if we get game time out of him then so be it, he won't be able to sulk as he would be in the shop window if still looking for his move.

 

If things blow over after a time, then people have short memories & things move on.

 

Either way, better than giving him what he supposedly wants immediately, which clearly DC has no intention of doing anyway.

 

 

 

Can't see him getting any game time mate, particularly at Hillsborough the atmosphere would be poisonous everytime he touched the ball 

[SiJ]

1 minute ago, modboy said:

Bet he's not the first that's refused to play. As sky said many players are more cunning and use injuries as cover for refusing to play. 

Could have said he fell off his bike. 

[Doghouse Daz]

Slow down chaps , I'm having trouble keeping up with the flow , Sunday morning ffs.

[Beauchief Owl]

1 minute ago, Athelwulf said:

The point is, though, does Chansiri know his onions in this particular market? Chansiri wants to get his trembling hands on the £150 million promotion prize money, and losing prize footballing assets isn't the way to go about it. What Chansiri will learn, to his (and our) cost, is that the players hold the power in the modern game. Brian Clough wouldn't have won many European Cups in this day and age with his attitude. I'm not saying what occurs today is right, I'm just saying that it is what it is. If your key player is on £35 000 a week, it's probably not a good idea to pay a centre half £25 000 a week unless you're prepared to give the former a pay rise.

I don't see Chansiri's trembling hands as you put it, if we do achieve promotion he'll have to dig deep and to suggest he'll make £150 million is misleading. As for Lees he IS a key player! I don't get your point about someone on 35k needing a raise because another key player is paid 25k, doesn't make sense.

[fife_owl]

If he's not happy, why not bang in a transfer request and carry on playing?

[owlsdreamer]

Why don't all the apolagists for the said Judas go away and do one.

HE HAS LET ALL OF US DOWN BIGTIME.

 

[Guest Coyt]

12 minutes ago, StudentOwl said:

Or in my case a week's worth of being ridiculed for it... oh look, it wasn't unfounded codswallop after all

The next 48 hours determines FF's Wednesday career. If he apologises, accepts he was massively in the wrong and stop trying to get to other clubs, then it'll be fine. Probably be able to sign a new contract in 6 months... certainly not in the next couple of weeks, you can't reward what he's done. If he doesn't then he's off and we're going to make about a £10 million transfer profit on him (Not including wages for the last year). 

Swings and roundabouts innit 

 

Yes student I was one of them who hounded you for been paranoid, a blade etc, unfortunately you was right lad......

[Socialist_Owl]

1 minute ago, fife_owl said:

If he's not happy, why not bang in a transfer request and carry on playing?

that's what doesn't make any sense about this.  There are ways to orchestrating a move and FF and his handlers decided to bypass any of that and hit straight to def-con 5

[Southie_Owl]

2 minutes ago, marshy said:

So, has anyone got their camera phone at the ready to see if he shows up for training on his bike?

 

He'd be a brave man to cycle around in Sheffield now. I don't think people will be shouting nice things at him anymore 

[SiJ]

"bike w@nker" etc. 

[BarmyArmy1867]

I said I'd show my face in public when I was wrong, looks like I'm not going to have to. Sometimes you just have to accept someone who posts very little on here, may actually know something. Why else would I randomly post. 

 

For me if w

[owls66]

It will be interesting to see if he trains today. Carlos said that he will be sanctioned if he refuses to train.

 

We will see.

[Ever the pessimist]

3 minutes ago, fife_owl said:

If he's not happy, why not bang in a transfer request and carry on playing?

Handing in a transfer request means you forego any % of the transfer fee I think.

 

 

Bizarrely just refusing to play doesn't do that.

[StudentOwl]

1 minute ago, Coyt said:

 

Yes student I was one of them who hounded you for been paranoid, a blade etc, unfortunately you was right lad......

Trust me, I wish I was dead wrong  and genuinely don't want any recognition for it. The first line in my post is more me pointing out that on Owlstalk you can rarely go against the grain and discuss owt without it descending into "no... fúck off"

 

We'll just have to see how this plays out, but I'm realistic. What do we reckon, maybe about 10% of players in this scenario end up working things out and staying at their club? Will we be that 1 in 10? We'll see. I know we've only heard one side of this story, but it's still near unthinkable what FF's done. I said "I thought he looked a little out of sorts" last week and even then I was thinking perhaps it was a bit much... never in a million years would I have believed it was "He'll refuse to play for us in his next competitive fixture". Thought he was better than that.