Guest wilyfox Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 1 minute ago, ramone said: We have one of them already... He's called Fernando. It's been proven time and time again that Hooper isn't at his best when playing with Fernando. Hooper suits being the little man in a 'big man/little man' partnership. Mccormack doesn't solve that issue, he makes it worse. And we've been over-reliant on Fernando. Hooper isn't at his best when we don't create for him. He doesn't necessarily need a big man, he needs service. He's a finisher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, HirstWhoScoredIt said: So you've done on article on why we shouldn't do something there is no evidence we are even contemplating doing? jeez The tabloids do that all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, @cl_ftbl said: That's certainly a valid point, but it's a mammoth task ranking teams/players on what comprises a better side. I've always thought the league table did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lom Tees Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 We can sign McCormack but I don't think he's the perfect partner for hooper. But then again, who else can we buy that will guarantee us 20+ goals a season aswell as be the perfect match for hooper? I don't know anyone realistic who is that player unfortunately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Think that some people forget CC's preferred formation is 4-3-3 , when he realised he didn't have the players to play that way he decided to go 4-4-2. I think next season we will see 4-3-3 and if that happens RM,GH and FF up front would see us in with a great shout of automatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lom Tees Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 So your suggesting we play McCormack out wide as a winger? Or we should have 3 strikers and no wingers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom22709 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Can anyone saying Hooper needs to play in a "big man/little man" combo find a goal he's scored for us which proves this theory? From what I remember his goals have come from quality balls into the box which he's got on the end of, being in the right place at the right time or quality finishes from in and around the area. (Brentford and Birmingham) he's a finisher who just needs quality coming into the box, which McCormack would deliver, that plus a load of his own goals and the best front 3 in the league....but yea we shouldn't bother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, Lom Tees said: So your suggesting we play McCormack out wide as a winger? Or we should have 3 strikers and no wingers? I'm no CC admittedly but you know how 4-3-3 works I presume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lom Tees Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Andoverowl said: I'm no CC admittedly but you know how 4-3-3 works I presume? I don't think we should be playing McCormack as a winger in a 4-3-3 or play 3 strikers, stick to 4-4-2 in this division with McCormack upfront with hooper, then swap for 4-3-3 if we get to the prem with 2 wingers and a striker, not 3 strikers! Edited June 18, 2016 by Lom Tees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Either in a 4-3-3 or 4-4-2, McCormack would be a quality addition to the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Lom Tees said: I don't think we should be playing McCormack as a winger in a 4-3-3 or play 3 strikers, stick to 4-4-2 in this division with McCormack upfront with hooper, then swap for 4-3-3 if we get to the prem with 2 wingers and a striker, not 3 strikers! Only my opinion mate , contact Carlos he da man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 50 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Ah, but what you're overlooking is that when Hooper and Forestieri play upfront together, they don't have Forestieri cutting in from the left flank... 3 minutes ago, Lom Tees said: I don't think we should be playing McCormack as a winger in a 4-3-3 or play 3 strikers, stick to 4-4-2 in this division with McCormack upfront with hooper, then swap for 4-3-3 if we get to the prem with 2 wingers and a striker, not 3 strikers! I agree. Forestieri - Hooper - NEW - Wallace as a 442 worked brilliantly last year, even with Joao and Nuhiu. So, imagine how superb it would be with a top quality "NEW" such as McCormack, Fletcher, Kodjia etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papalazarowl Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 If CC wants him and has a plan to fit him in and DC wants to fund it, who are we to complain? A 29 year old 20+ goal a season player... and some are moaning.... leave it to CC and DC.. in them we trust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BRADFIELDOWLS Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 As I 've said before, DC spending £10 million on a player is like has the same economic cost as us buying a MARS bar, plus he's stated Premiership buy end of this season and I don't think he's a guy who accepts failure. While your statistical comparison is , as always, excellent the fact is the 3 major clubs going for promotion - us Villa and Newcastle - want McCormack so suggests he's nearest thing to ensure this. Also, as your stats confirm, he has skills GH doesn't plus he 'd provide intense competition to all midfieldrs and attackers, someting CC is a big fan of. Further, the rotation policy has to ba factored in. Finally, the new no loan rule makes it vital we get a big, quality squad and RC would be perfect for this (and also explains why we want players like Cotterrill, et al). On others, Connor Wickam for me, plus Danilo from Porto for midfield enforcer role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 This obsession with "finding the right partner" for Hooper is getting tiresome. Our team doesn't (and certainly shouldn't) revolve around Gary Hooper. I can virtually guarantee Carlos' striker recruitment plans won't be based on finding the right partner for Gary Hooper. We've performed well and had great results with various attacking combinations. Hooper/FF or Nuhiu or Joao, FF/Nuhiu or Joao. Just sign players on the same level as our main man (FF), and watch us fly. McCormack certainly falls into that category, but such a huge outlay for a 30 year old seems ridiculous to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 14 minutes ago, Tom22709 said: Can anyone saying Hooper needs to play in a "big man/little man" combo find a goal he's scored for us which proves this theory? From what I remember his goals have come from quality balls into the box which he's got on the end of, being in the right place at the right time or quality finishes from in and around the area. (Brentford and Birmingham) he's a finisher who just needs quality coming into the box, which McCormack would deliver, that plus a load of his own goals and the best front 3 in the league....but yea we shouldn't bother Hooper with big man/little man combo scored 9 goals in 11 Hooper without big man/little man combo scored 4 goals in 14 Forestieri with big man/little man combo scored 15 in 26 Forestieri without big man/little man combo scored 0 in 14 Team with big man/little man combo scored 59 in 32 Team without big man/little man combo scored 7 in 14 (2 v Leeds, 2 v Forest, 1 v Derby, 1 v Reading, 1 v Brighton) Interesting that 59 of our 66 goals came with either Joao or Nuhiu on the field. That surely suggests this "type" of player suits our personnel and approach. Therefore, if we got a higher quality player of this "type", I would imagine great things next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last_Great_Hope Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 1 hour ago, HirstWhoScoredIt said: So you've done on article on why we shouldn't do something there is no evidence we are even contemplating doing? jeez Everyone needs to busy themselves in the off-season. Better this than constant arguements about Atdhe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lom Tees Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 13 minutes ago, BRADFIELDOWLS said: On others, Connor Wickam for me, plus Danilo from Porto for midfield enforcer role. Because Danilo is definatley realistic isn't he! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom22709 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 19 minutes ago, Holmowl said: Hooper with big man/little man combo scored 9 goals in 11 Hooper without big man/little man combo scored 4 goals in 14 Forestieri with big man/little man combo scored 15 in 26 Forestieri without big man/little man combo scored 0 in 14 Team with big man/little man combo scored 59 in 32 Team without big man/little man combo scored 7 in 14 (2 v Leeds, 2 v Forest, 1 v Derby, 1 v Reading, 1 v Brighton) Interesting that 59 of our 66 goals came with either Joao or Nuhiu on the field. That surely suggests this "type" of player suits our personnel and approach. Therefore, if we got a higher quality player of this "type", I would imagine great things next season. Sigh...more stats, ok most of Hoopers career goals have come at Celtic and Scunny, at Celtic he played in a 3 and at Scunny he played with Billy Sharp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Tom22709 said: Sigh...more stats, ok most of Hoopers career goals have come at Celtic and Scunny, at Celtic he played in a 3 and at Scunny he played with Billy Sharp Comparisons based on simple goal tallys are pointless anyway. Different types of players with different career paths. McCormack's rarely played as an out and out striker, Hooper's never done anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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