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Raheem Sterling sums up young English talent.

Fast as fooook and technically woeful

Wouldn't get on the bench for Barca or Real

Give it a year or two and he probably would. He's 21 FFS, younger than Joao. People speak of him as though he should already be the finished article.

The same people are probably amongst those itching to write Rooney off - the very player we've been reliant upon for the last 13yrs to qualify us for major tournaments in the first place.

Bizarre.

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These days finishing 4th isn't success

Just staying in the Premier league is a success

The gulf in money between the premier league and football league is staggering.

should have added for some teams.

The money earned by Boro or Brighton today (£170 mill) could probably run all of the teams in lge 3 and some of the teams in lge 2 comfortably

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Hopefully Leicester winning the league might make the big clubs think twice about paying tens of millions for mediocre players. One day it will all come crumbling down but not in the foreseeable future. Unfortunately it's a club you have to be in at some point if you want to build your club facilities and compete regularly at the top level. I don't like what football has become regarding money but it is what it is.

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48m? Liverpool had city's pants down

The transfer market is different nowadays - especially for young players. You don't just pay for the player they are now, you pay for the finished article it's anticipated they'll go on to become.

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Hopefully Leicester winning the league might make the big clubs think twice about paying tens of millions for mediocre players. One day it will all come crumbling down but not in the foreseeable future. Unfortunately it's a club you have to be in at some point if you want to build your club facilities and compete regularly at the top level. I don't like what football has become regarding money but it is what it is.

 

Maybe ..but teams like City and Chelsea are just as likely to go out in the summer and spend even more to counter a disappointing year when they should have been in a position to win the PL ....especially with new managers 

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Maybe ..but teams like City and Chelsea are just as likely to go out in the summer and spend even more to counter a disappointing year when they should have been in a position to win the PL ....especially with new managers

And more fool them. Take Man City, £200m odd first team £60m odd players on £200,000 a week has been shown to be a waste of money. They were poor against Real Madrid and really you would have thought for that outlay they should be able to at least compete. Liverpool, Chelsea, man utd, Arsenal have all been dissapointing this season but have the biggest wage bills. I think at some minute level the worm may turn slightly.
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Sterling's failing like ball control can't be trained into people. I just think he will probably go on to have a career like Walcott

Some good and some very average.

We'll see. Ill-timed transfers may have affected them both. Sterling maybe left Liverpool a year too early, and Walcott should have left Arsenal before now. His progress stalled some time ago.

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The whole thing is a false economy. We might get £100m for going up, but all that does is increase the cost of 'that striker from Senegal' from £5m 2 years ago to £10m now. The whole model is flawed.

Totally agree with this, but also believe smart managers can get around some of the false economy we will face. Danny Wilson probably couldn't but CC probably could.

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Money makes the game more competitive.

 

Ha ha, great thread, because of the money now involved in football there is much more pressure on clubs to be successful.

 

Therefore, more is expected of players, coaches and managers etc, players these days are athletes but lets be right they have to have the technical side first.

 

Its the technique that gets the players into academies and to make it at the highest level they have to be athletes.

 

There are technically great players throughout the football league who don't quite have the fitness for the top level.

 

A player needs to have both technique and fitness, they need to be coached well to fulfil potential and finally they need an opportunity.

 

 

The pace in which the game is played these days would see the players from just 15 years ago blowing after 5 minutes.

 

Its not just physical either, mentality is just as important.

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Its an interesting thread - and i have to agree with the OP

 

The money has now become "the glory" - where earning more money (say via finishing 4th in the premier) is seen as preferable to winning one of the domestic cups (not by fans of course but then this is not about fans any more)

 

Football at the top level can survive without fans (attendances) in many cases because the differential between matchday income and non-matchday income is vast

 

Premier clubs are getting what? £180m+ before a ball is kicked next season? Before a match ticket has been sold?

 

For a lot of clubs their matchday income won't even approach 5% of those figures

 

But the secondary effect is just how much of the money ends up in the pockets of players and agents - where clubs still struggle to turn a profit despite the staggering income they now achieve

 

I get it that times have changed - but the way cash pours into - then out of the clubs is not healthy for the game long term

 

The natural effect will be a 2 tier system where it almost becomes a closed shop at the top level and that will be based on financial muscle

 

Then there will be everybody else and a survival of the fittest - at a much lower level than thos eat the top - and this will resemble what us older farts recognise as "real football" (not in style, tactics or ability - but in ethos)

 

When a youth team player at Chelsea is demanding £50k pw to sign a contract even though he's nowhere close to being a 1st team regular then its time to say the game is a path to oblivion

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Its an interesting thread - and i have to agree with the OP

 

The money has now become "the glory" - where earning more money (say via finishing 4th in the premier) is seen as preferable to winning one of the domestic cups (not by fans of course but then this is not about fans any more)

 

Football at the top level can survive without fans (attendances) in many cases because the differential between matchday income and non-matchday income is vast

 

Premier clubs are getting what? £180m+ before a ball is kicked next season? Before a match ticket has been sold?

 

For a lot of clubs their matchday income won't even approach 5% of those figures

 

But the secondary effect is just how much of the money ends up in the pockets of players and agents - where clubs still struggle to turn a profit despite the staggering income they now achieve

 

I get it that times have changed - but the way cash pours into - then out of the clubs is not healthy for the game long term

 

The natural effect will be a 2 tier system where it almost becomes a closed shop at the top level and that will be based on financial muscle

 

Then there will be everybody else and a survival of the fittest - at a much lower level than thos eat the top - and this will resemble what us older farts recognise as "real football" (not in style, tactics or ability - but in ethos)

 

When a youth team player at Chelsea is demanding £50k pw to sign a contract even though he's nowhere close to being a 1st team regular then its time to say the game is a path to oblivion

Good post. You could almost say that if a club in the Championship doesn't get to the Premier League with in the next 2 or 3 years they never will because of the money Premier league clubs get and the parachute payments. Personally I'd like to see the parachute payments scrapped and redistributed maybe between the Championship clubs or all the lower league clubs. Then maybe clubs would be forced to put relagation pay cut clauses in contracts

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Clubs voting to stop parachute payments would be turkey's voting for Christmas. I'd have less of an issue with the money in the game if the majority of schools had 4G pitches, and Sunday sides didn't have to shift the dog muck before playing.

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