@owlstalk Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Celtic confirm they're swapping out a section of their ground to a safe standing zone.Hillsborough should be leading the way with this in England Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KivoOwl Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Should be, but will be the last ground ever to get it - and we all know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 No comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since59owe Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Should be, but will be the last ground ever to get it - and we all know it. Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Should be, but will be the last ground ever to get it - and we all know it. even with chansiri at the helm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 even with chansiri at the helm? Don't think the reason for us being last has anything to do with the chairman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 6, 2016 Author Share Posted May 6, 2016 even with chansiri at the helm? Exactly We should press on and sort it Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Safe Standing is some sort of Joke, Standing was completely safe (almost) in the day. No fences ( allowing ease of exit if needed) Definitely no pens ( allowing the crowd to spread and thin). I have had a good think about the German contraptions and see a problem with them in as much as, if someone is taken seriously ill how would the response of being able to battle through fixed structures compare with speed of access through a free standing crowd ? I'm not sure ! But as a traditionalist I would much prefer a free standing crowd that finds its own level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Hatstand Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I have had a good think about the German contraptions and see a problem with them in as much as, if someone is taken seriously ill how would the response of being able to battle through fixed structures compare with speed of access through a free standing crowd ? I'm not sure ! The exact same way they do if someone is taken ill with seating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Horse Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Just do what the scousers do on their Kop and stand from beginning to end every game anyway.Why bother with a designated section? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acquiescefc Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Lets get NW quadrant sorted first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-Owl Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Just do what the scousers do on their Kop and stand from beginning to end every game anyway. Why bother with a designated section? Because no one ever does that. I dont car either way, I just wish people would stand and stay stood, or sit and stay sat. Its the getting up and down when we get into the final third for no reason that winds me up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Think the club would do well to not lead the way in this. The press would rip them to shreds if they even suggested being the first to introduce safe standing. I used to love standing on the kop but that is over 20 years ago now and my knees prefer sitting in the North Stand these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueandWhiteOwl Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Just do what the scousers do on their Kop and stand from beginning to end every game anyway. Why bother with a designated section? For a number of reasons, actually. Firstly standing up for sustained periods in seated areas is inherently unsafe – anyone falling forwards after, say, a goal has nothing to stop them, resulting in a domino effect which can result in the people in front getting injured. Secondly, standing up in seated areas means the people behind you don't have a choice but to stand as well if they want to see the match. Not everyone wants to stand, particularly the elderly, while children often cannot see unless they are standing on seats – increasing danger. Unfortunately, in the situation you describe they aren't given a choice. A dedicated standing section would give fans who want to stand the opportunity to do so without damaging the experience for those who may not wish to. Thirdly, a dedicated standing section would be a natural destination for those fans who already enjoy standing and singing. Rather than being split between stands they would combine in one area, increasing the atmosphere for everyone in the ground. Finally, the standing section would also be an opportunity (you would hope) for the club to offer cheaper tickets on a regular basis, though this wouldn't necessarily be the case. To address Nev's point about access for emergency services: safe standing is designed in rows the same as seats are now, with aisles of steps that do not have the barrier across them – in essence, it would be no better or worse to reach someone than it is now. Indeed, it may even be easier as there is more space on each row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miffed Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Think the club would do well to not lead the way in this. The press would rip them to shreds if they even suggested being the first to introduce safe standing. I used to love standing on the kop but that is over 20 years ago now and my knees prefer sitting in the North Stand these days. I think the opposite. Surely Hillsborough would be the best place to introduce it in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightace Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I can't see any negatives when it comes to safe standing. If every row has a barrier front and back Surely its even safer than seating , especially if people are going to jump up for goals and near misses. People think standing should never be introduced out of respect for those that died but imo safe standing still has those fans in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I sometimes cringe when I see threads like this. Is it just to wind people up or are you serious ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I think the opposite. Surely Hillsborough would be the best place to introduce it in England. Whilst I can see the logic we would be well advises to stay well clear. Remember certain groups taking offence at our use of those barriers (fences) v west ham in the cup? Even though they were as a segregation device outside the ground it was spun as fences being used in an fa cup game at that end of the ground = disrespectful on our part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonowl Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I said in one of the endless threads on Redevelop/Relocate the other day that by the time we do anything, there will be safe standing in England. I also said it would need to be very well established throughout the country before it was allowed at Hillsborough. It's actually a really good idea. In response to the emergency question earlier, it's actually easier to respond with SS because the rail seats fold up better than standard seats as they are integral to the rails and actually allow the rows to be wider. SS allows for about 30% more capacity in any given area. More than any of this though, at every ground it is used, it becomes a focused area for the singers etc. SS is coming though with everything in the news recently, it's going to take a while. It will probably come in initially at Emirates, Old Trafford etc because they get the attendance gains but it will definitely trickle down through the other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pickledegghiderman Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 As soon as one club introduces safe standing in this country then surely all other clubs then become eligible to install safe standing. With this happening in scotland i would be suprised to not see it introduced in england within the next couple of years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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