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Guest CageFightingOwl

Why should we be in the premier league?

 

And fo you not see the irony of accepting 4th bottom every season - then calling others "losers" who aren't so keen on that as the height of ambition?

 

A relegation scrap in the Premier League is much more acceptable than a relegation scrap in the Championship.

 

If you do fall through the Premier League trap door you get paid massive amounts to help you get back.

 

Who's to say SWFC with a bit of momentum couldnt be a top half Premier League side.

 

If Stoke and Southampton can do it then so can we.

 

 

Although it is much better to accept we are a bottom half Championship side, it seems the done thing.

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Guest phshaw

If somebody came in with that type of cash then Gray wouldn't be the manager

I understand what the OP is saying - and a lot of people on here who are dismissing it will be the biggest moaners when we start a season with relegation-avoidance as our only ambition

Bigger, wealthier clubs than us can't even begin to think about challenging

We are lights years away from anything more than making up the numbers in the premiership - and hoping to stay that way

Totally agree. Plus a decreasing number of matches kick off at the favoured 3pm on Saturday in the PL.

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I can see OPs point, paying £40 to watch us get dry bummed by City or Chelsea at 8pm on a Thursday night wouldn't be fun, but if we could become one of those teams who get £60 million off Sky and then £60 million for being relegated for a few seasons, we'd have the foundations for long-term success if we were sensible with the money.

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As bizarre as it may sound to some, if it was possible, should Wednesday decline promotion to the top flight of English football if we ever got to that position?

 

What's actually in it for the fans? For me, it challenges why people watch Wednesday and why people go to football games.

 

Some people may say that it would be great to see the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and Man City's world class players playing at Hillsborough. But, doesn't this change your view of football? You're paying increased prices to see the opposition, not to see Sheffield Wednesday. 

 

For some, going to a football match is about cheering a Wednesday goal, the atmosphere and seeing your team win. Their's no better feeling for the start of the weekend when Wednesday play well and win and no worse feeling when they don't. 

 

If Wednesday got to the premiership, we've realistically got no chance of winning the title and a slim chance of qualifying for Europe. The best opportunity for European football would be the cup competitions, which you don't have to be a premier league team to win or enter. All the point of each league campaign would be to stay up and keep revenue streams high for the club. 

 

With increased TV money etc, shouldn't teams reduce ticket prices and give something back to the fans instead of pushing them up and charging a premium?

 

Staying in the lower leagues with a good, competitive team would see us win a lot more games each season than if we were in the premiership. It would be cheaper for the fans and cheaper for the owners as well. No matter which league you are in, losing most weeks decreases attendances, otherwise every single team in the premiership would have sold out games every single week. 

 

Fans crave success, but success in football these days costs huge amounts of money. Some would say too much money to risk. We've had two stabilizing years in the championship and look how many people are getting frustrated that we're not progressing or should I say, not progressing fast enough. It would be even worse in the premiership. 

 

When economic times are tough, how many people would pay inflated prices to see their beloved team lose more than they win in the premiership. Shiny toys don't stay shiny forever.

 

There are many types of football supporter …….. which one are you?

 

 

Its going to be a long summer  :picnic:

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I can see OPs point, paying £40 to watch us get dry bummed by City or Chelsea at 8pm on a Thursday night wouldn't be fun, but if we could become one of those teams who get £60 million off Sky and then £60 million for being relegated for a few seasons, we'd have the foundations for long-term success if we were sensible with the money.

that's the big question though isn't it. Many on here are complaining because Milan is being too sensible with the money.

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Stupid thread.

If (when?) we get there, imagine how attractive our club instantly becomes to investors.

Sheffield is one of the biggest cities in the country without a top-flight team.

How many fans do the Manchester teams pull in per week combined? 120,000? More?

And here we are, a city of comparable size, fetching a third of that with our two clubs.

The potential is there and it is huge. Someone just needs to wake up and realise it.

Sheffield Wednesday could make someone very rich one day.

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Guest CageFightingOwl

Burnley.

 

A small, yet quality packed squad of solid Championship footballers.

 

No gambles.

 

There is always one club who find consistancy and then momentum and then become very hard to beat.

 

Blackpool, Palace, Cardiff, Burnley.

 

We could be next if we show 20% more ambition.

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Stupid thread.

If (when?) we get there, imagine how attractive our club instantly becomes to investors.

Sheffield is one of the biggest cities in the country without a top-flight team.

How many fans do the Manchester teams pull in per week combined? 120,000? More?

And here we are, a city of comparable size, fetching a third of that with our two clubs.

The potential is there and it is huge. Someone just needs to wake up and realise it.

Sheffield Wednesday could make someone very rich one day.

 

I don't think people really can get rich out of football now

 

Not unless they are ruthless asset strippers

 

Bigger, wealthier clubs than us can't compete and are losing vast sums of money (and no, thats not an oxymoron)

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I get what you mean Maple. there was a discussion on the radio about this the other day. Basically what was said is that the Premiership is split into 3 mini leagues. One of around 4 - 6 teams who have a chance of winning the title. The others are split in to 8-10 teams that are happy to finish mid table and 4-6 teams who will be relegated. with some of the teams outside the top ones moving between the other two groups.

 

Spot on there Darra. The idea of entering a cup competition or being in a league is to win the thing. If you know before you start that you've got little chance, why do it? Why spend millions and millions of pounds trying to do it that you probably wont see a return on whilst putting ticket prices up making it more expensive to go.

 

Can you imagine playing the likes of Chelsea , Liverpool and Man City and hoping they have an off day.

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What a load of crap. Talk about no ambition. Shall we just go down to the conference because it will be cheaper and we will win more. Dear god.

 

If we get to the premiership, there's absolutely no guarantee that the owner of the club will throw millions of pounds at it. He doesn't have to if he doesn't want to. He could easily take the profit and he would be well within his rights to do so.

 

We all imagine that it will be raining money in the promised land, but what happens if the owner says "We have to live within our means, incase we come straight back down again." We could do a cautious / prudent approach and enjoy one season in the sun. 

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The whole concept of what the Premier League has become is a scramble every season for club's to protect their finances nothing else. There's the odd flash in the pan of a club breaking into the top 8 but nothing more - it's become almost boring.

 

Of course I'd still want us to get back there because I believe it would get Hillsborough full week in week out and it can't always be about struggling in the Championship season after season - being the eternal optimist is what makes every Wednesday fan but believing we could ever compete unless we do something similar to what Southampton have done with continuing to produce from their academy is highly unlikely.

 

The problem is with having the 'product' that the PL now is rammed in your face at every turn it sets the bar of expectation way too high for every club in it and hence bar one manager in the PL the rest is just a constant merry go round of managerial changes and pending implosions of clubs on the brink of going to the wall.

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that was the point of the discussion I mentioned above. The danger that some fans would lose interest and stop going

 

Another good point. Even in the championship, when we start losing, the crowds fall off. We were down to about 18k and 19k at one bit under DJ. That's almost unheard of for our club. Over the recent years, you could always guarantee that no matter how badly we played there would be 22k die-hard fans there without fail. That's dropped to around 18k.

 

In the premiership where ticket prices are higher, once the euphoria of promotion and the positive energy dies down, apathy sets in. The same happened when we got promoted from the 1st. Full of promise, a great start and then it all faded away.

 

People talk about ambition, but how can it be ambition when you'd be happy being the fourth worst team in the league each season?

 

In the premiership, it's impossible to catch the top 6 teams. Even if you build slowly to narrow the gap, they can build quicker to maintain and even widen the gap. You can't just go for it, because it would leave us in a huge amount of debt and their's no guarantee that spending all that money would actually bring any form of success.

 

How many teams over recent years have managed to gain promotion only to come straight back down the following season? 

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Football is just as much about hopes and dreams as it is about winning. Take that away you're left with nothing.

 

That's true, but hasn't the money in the premier league taken away the hopes and dreams of many teams? The FA Cup has romance, hopes and dreams because it's a one off game where anything can happen and it's all about what happens on the day. Over a season, more money, larger and better squads will nearly always have a better chance / be up near the top.

 

If you haven't got the money to build a squad and can't do it in the summer, where are the fans dreams then?

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With increased TV money etc, shouldn't teams reduce ticket prices and give something back to the fans instead of pushing them up and charging a premium?

Ok, let's take Arsenal as an example. They currently have a season ticket waiting list in excess of 40,000. You have to pay to be on that waiting list, and for that fee you get a certificate congratulating you on being 38,765th in the queue for example. No matter how much TV money Arsenal get, with demand like that then their tickets aren't going to be getting cheaper.

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Another good point. Even in the championship, when we start losing, the crowds fall off. We were down to about 18k and 19k at one bit under DJ. That's almost unheard of for our club. Over the recent years, you could always guarantee that no matter how badly we played there would be 22k die-hard fans there without fail. That's dropped to around 18k.

 

In the premiership where ticket prices are higher, once the euphoria of promotion and the positive energy dies down, apathy sets in. The same happened when we got promoted from the 1st. Full of promise, a great start and then it all faded away.

 

People talk about ambition, but how can it be ambition when you'd be happy being the fourth worst team in the league each season?

 

In the premiership, it's impossible to catch the top 6 teams. Even if you build slowly to narrow the gap, they can build quicker to maintain and even widen the gap. You can't just go for it, because it would leave us in a huge amount of debt and their's no guarantee that spending all that money would actually bring any form of success.

 

How many teams over recent years have managed to gain promotion only to come straight back down the following season? 

Man U are talking about spending up to £300 million in the close season we couldn't match that for many years if ever unless we get a mega rich owner

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The way things are going with the EPL,we are not too far off the day when Promotion and Relegation are done away with and the PL moves towards a RFL Franchise system as they have in Rugby League and that will be the day I stop watching football altogether. :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

 

Many years ago, wasn't there talk of a breakaway league? They were going to get the larger teams with the bigger fan bases all together. 

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