Guest Big Guns Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Maybe but why would that matter? Football is fickle. Better that than rigidly sticking to a knee jerk opinion formed in the distant past. even tho its been proved right he he he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 people still maintain megson was rubbish yet dave is great I'm not one of those. I was not happy when Megson was fired - I was very annoyed. I liked him a lot. No nonsense, straight talking, candid with the media, Wednesday to his core, and got us up to third. The passion was there for all to see. That said, I wouldn't draw comparisons or play one against the other. The onus is on Milan to decide how he wants to proceed - and stick with it. You either buy a team or build one over time. Having seemingly chosen the latter, he must be realistic with his demands and the time frame it will take to achieve it. Any failure to meet targets over a season is collective; players, manager & owner. I don't want him sacked - although I could understand it if Milan makes that call with results as they are; but the reasons for our position would still be there even Dave Jones is not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) 'Build one over time'... dismantle one over a short period of time more like. Edited November 25, 2013 by TheEnchanter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I don't think many people would think that the second half of last season was an 'up'. I don't see why not. Top 6 form for a sustainable period was a marked improvement on the first half of the season; and 58pts was a respectable tally for our first year back. Because Norwich and Southampton achieved promotion two consecutive seasons, people seem to want that every year now. I think that was a freak occurrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Guns Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 it wasnt top six form it was survival form nothing more nothing less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 'Build one over time'... dismantle one over a short period of time more like. Dismantle? By replacing Rob Jones with Anthony Gardner, Bywater with Kirkland, and letting 34yr old Ryan Lowe go? I know what Holloway said about too many changes at Palace and people apply that sentiment here, but I feel he was unfairly harsh on himself there. He had to make wholesale changes to atleast try and get enough quality into their squad to have a go at surviving. DJ needed to do the same here last year, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davedave Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I would like Jones to remain in charge, almost as an experiment, we've changed managers loads since i've been watching Wednesday and apart from short term boost when everyone is behind the new man, it doesn't really seem to have made much difference. We are always told that stability breeds success, so I would like us to give it a go. However, I can't see this happening. He has already lost too many of the crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Guns Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I would like Jones to remain in charge, almost as an experiment, we've changed managers loads since i've been watching Wednesday and apart from short term boost when everyone is behind the new man, it doesn't really seem to have made much difference. We are always told that stability breeds success, so I would like us to give it a go. However, I can't see this happening. He has already lost too many of the crowd. how long should he be allowed to flip things up then i think its already been a costly experiment proving that giving him time isnt working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spuddy01 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) I'd like jones to stay Stay the flip away from Hillsborough Edited November 25, 2013 by scottie78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Owl Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) I would like Jones to remain in charge, almost as an experiment, Are you posting from Brazil Dr Mengele? Edited November 25, 2013 by Flat Owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 how long should he be allowed to flip things up then i think its already been a costly experiment proving that giving him time isnt working That's like asking the poor how long they should live in poverty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadingOwl Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 That's like asking the poor how long they should live in poverty. Or a builder, who you have already paid, when he's going to finish the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Or a builder, who you have already paid, when he's going to finish the job. Not the same. The quality of the builder's work would be the equivalent. Dave Jones is doing his job - just not getting the results to keep everyone happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadingOwl Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Not the same. The quality of the builder's work would be the equivalent. Dave Jones is doing his job - just not getting the results to keep everyone happy. The first 45 minutes on Saturday were grotesque. Professional footballers? I think you must be on the wind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 The first 45 minutes on Saturday were grotesque. Professional footballers? I think you must be on the wind up. You said you could not disagree with one of my earlier posts...and now I must be on the wind up? The performance was abysmal, pathetic, weak. The players must answer as to why. People will say the buck stops with the manager; I say that is a naive cop out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee A Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Dont want him to stay any more, but I also dont want to replace him with just anybody. Needs to be a really good appointment this next one, not necessarily a big name, but we've got to get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Guns Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 You said you could not disagree with one of my earlier posts...and now I must be on the wind up? The performance was abysmal, pathetic, weak. The players must answer as to why. People will say the buck stops with the manager; I say that is a naive cop out. You said you could not disagree with one of my earlier posts...and now I must be on the wind up? The performance was abysmal, pathetic, weak. The players must answer as to why. People will say the buck stops with the manager; I say that is a naive cop out. im in shock at the stupidity of this post all i can do is neg it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 im in shock at the stupidity of this post all i can do is neg it Take some more 'roids, that'll help you deal with the shock. And try not to trip over your IQ, it's low down there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaminowl Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 even tho its been proved right he he he What exactly have you been proved right about? You (allegedly) said 15 months ago that he should be sacked. He hasn't been sacked. That makes you wrong in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm9ai Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I would like Jones to remain in charge, almost as an experiment, we've changed managers loads since i've been watching Wednesday and apart from short term boost when everyone is behind the new man, it doesn't really seem to have made much difference. We are always told that stability breeds success, so I would like us to give it a go. That is my thoughts as well. We have tried chopping and changing managers for the past 18 years, why not try the same manager for that amount of time. I couldn't really care less if it is Jones or someone else, just stop changing managers every time we go on a bad run. Have we always had poor managers who have deserved to be fired? If so, why do we keep having poor managers? Do we have a problem scouting managers? Perhaps we should fix this first. We have tried the changing managers every 5 minutes, and it hasn't worked. Perhaps its time to try something different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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