Is the problem ?

[swfctc1]

Is the missing ingredient for our poor or indifferent form the link from the pitch to the stands and visa versa from the manager to the fans and the fans to the manager,there seems to be no togetherness anymore its a bit like before a us and you stance,we had big Rob jones last year when not playing parading up and down the touch line encouraging the players,we had chants for most of the players .Last year we had the link between the manager (Megson) to his players remember the scenes at the lane & at hillsboro and a link to us like him or despise him he was in control even last years backroom staff were animated on the touch line there doesent seem to be the same bond with Milan and the fans anymore,there seemed to be a togetherness & i think that togetherness got us a fair few results.

[petrie18]

A link like that comes with a certain amount of success, if we we're further up the table hoping for a playoff push, would it still be a us versus them mentality?

[CentreCircle]

Football is about ups and downs, we should stick together as a club we will get through this sticky patch, I have confidence in us staying up.

[petrie18]

Football is about ups and downs, we should stick together as a club we will get through this sticky patch, I have confidence in us staying up.

You may have the confidence of survival, but as expectations were so high in the summer, and the team clearly hasn't lived up to them, it causes a divide. However if we were midtable, the majority would be happy and hoping for playoff push the following season.

Edited January 11, 2013 by petrie18

[scram]

Nobody moaned about Jones and his relationship with the fans when we were winning every week.

 

Plenty of people were moaning about Megson when we weren't in good form

 

It's just peripheral shyte that people only every drag out at times of disappointment - meaningless guff.

 

The fans don't want and won't cultivate a "relationship" with a losing manager - they don't need or particularly want one with a winning manager.

 

As i said - ridiculous vacant nonsense

[Dick_Turpin]

Nobody moaned about Jones and his relationship with the fans when we were winning every week.

 

Plenty of people were moaning about Megson when we weren't in good form

 

It's just peripheral shyte that people only every drag out at times of disappointment - meaningless guff.

 

The fans don't want and won't cultivate a "relationship" with a losing manager - they don't need or particularly want one with a winning manager.

 

As i said - ridiculous vacant nonsense

 

I don't think it is - or at least it isn't just about winning. I think e.g. Meggo did inspire some people - maybe not yourself but some people. Big Jack did the same thing - it took him ages to get us promoted but we put up with it.  Likewise Atkinson - we got relegated under him but despite that there were few if any calls for his head - partly because we could see what he was aiming for and partly because of his personality.

[torryowl]

Nobody moaned about Jones and his relationship with the fans when we were winning every week.

 

Plenty of people were moaning about Megson when we weren't in good form

 

It's just peripheral shyte that people only every drag out at times of disappointment - meaningless guff.

 

The fans don't want and won't cultivate a "relationship" with a losing manager - they don't need or particularly want one with a winning manager.

 

As i said - ridiculous vacant nonsense

not sure about" dont want a relationship with a losing manager " scram the fans certainly had a relationship with big jack in his 1st 2 seasons even though we finished 14th in the 3rd  for those 2 years ,same with fat ron was still idolised even when he got us relegated .

I don't think it is - or at least it isn't just about winning. I think e.g. Meggo did inspire some people - maybe not yourself but some people. Big Jack did the same thing - it took him ages to get us promoted but we put up with it.  Likewise Atkinson - we got relegated under him but despite that there were few if any calls for his head - partly because we could see what he was aiming for and partly because of his personality.

snap ....

[scram]

I don't think it is - or at least it isn't just about winning. I think e.g. Meggo did inspire some people - maybe not yourself but some people. Big Jack did the same thing - it took him ages to get us promoted but we put up with it.  Likewise Atkinson - we got relegated under him but despite that there were few if any calls for his head - partly because we could see what he was aiming for and partly because of his personality.

 

I just don't agree - sorry

 

It's not about whether Megson inspired me - i loved some of the stuff he did and cringed at others and i don't think he was deservedly sacked - however, when things weren't going well there was no big love-in with him generally as there subsequently seem to become - plenty of people were extremely pissed off with him and his work - even though he was the guy that made players stand on the Kop - he flogged them through the woods and he genuinely woare a Wednesday badge with his heart beating faster underneath it - his background didn't make up for his results with the majority.

 

Under Jack it was a different era - nothing like the hire-em-fire-em situation now - and it wasn't unusual for managers to last many years at clubs despite not hitting the high notes

 

The relegation under BFR was also unique - it wasn't the death of a thousand cuts - it came on us so suddenly and so unexpectedly - and so many circumstances had to come together to relegate us - that fans had no adjustment time and before you know it we were relegated.

 

I think the almost unjust nature of that relegation combined with the lack of the current immediate outlet for outrage probably played into his hands too.

 

So we may have been able to afford ourselves the solace of being "too good to get relegated" (and i think we genuinely were) - but it happened suddenly and unexpectedly so we had to deal with what happened - rather than what was happening.

 

Different situations in different era's.

[swfctc1]

Nobody moaned about Jones and his relationship with the fans when we were winning every week.

 

Plenty of people were moaning about Megson when we weren't in good form

 

It's just peripheral shyte that people only every drag out at times of disappointment - meaningless guff.

 

The fans don't want and won't cultivate a "relationship" with a losing manager - they don't need or particularly want one with a winning manager.

 

As i said - ridiculous vacant nonsense

Wasnt having a dig at Dj,but can you say he inspires you to get off your arse and attend matches at this moment in time i cant its only because im a die hard i attend ,but tomorrow is my first missed match of the season infact theres 4 of us not bothering so its not just me,i flippingneed some inspiration from somewhere PLEASE.

[Mr Farrell]

The problem is Owlstalk.

 

While ever posters continue to be negative and not support the club and the team, the team will continue to lose, and we won't attract serious investment.

 

Owlstalk has held the club back for years.

 

Anyone thinking about having a go at me for finally speaking out, think about what another negeative post will do to the club before you do.

[Mountain Owl]

Nobody moaned about Jones and his relationship with the fans when we were winning every week.

 

Plenty of people were moaning about Megson when we weren't in good form

 

It's just peripheral shyte that people only every drag out at times of disappointment - meaningless guff.

 

The fans don't want and won't cultivate a "relationship" with a losing manager - they don't need or particularly want one with a winning manager.

 

As i said - ridiculous vacant nonsense

No it isn't the guys just stating fact. If you haven't noticed the difference at matches then you must have your head in your hands its there for everybody to witness. There's absolutely nobody on the pitch or on the touchline to get things going, there is a total lack of passion at the moment.