Antonio vs Referee's

[Guest scarface]

It has to be said the modern game for referee's is increasingly difficult, especially with the likes of Bale, Suarez, Young ect, who all fall down too theatrically. In terms of Wednesday and Antonio this has led to countless wrong decisions when Antonio has been cautioned for simulation 'unfairly', when it was clearly a foul, DJ knows it, and us as fans know this. 

 

The point I'm getting at is that to tighten up on diving the FA has put the pressure on referee's to come down hard on players who are theatrical. Now IMO and many others this has led to ref's deciding the outcome of tackles based on the players reputation, which unfortunately has led to Antonio developing one, and ultimately the mismanagement of football decisions widespread in the game.

 

Now then, the scenes of yesterday at Huddersfield has certainly dropped the FA and Referee Association in it, as Mick Russell issued two yellows to Jeremy Helan, stating after the match that the first, which was for the suspected simulation, was directed a Michail Antonio. This shows that in fact Mr Russell aimed this at Antonio for his 'reputation', getting mixed up with the similar race of the players. 

 

Ultimately this leads to two conclusions, was it;

 

-Human error (on the ref's part)

or

-Deliberate action towards a player (Antonio) based on his reputation, not the football.

 

It has to be said that with replays the challenge was in fact a foul and should have been a penalty, would this have been given if the ref didn't wrongfully presume the player was Antonio?

 

Based on previous matches and the incident highlighted on MOTD last night over the Bale's penalty shout, it shows that again the wrong decision was reached due to reputation.

 

Along with the probe into yesterdays match, the issue should be raised that referee's must immediately stop judging decisions based on the reputation of the player, when it should be based solely on the football, as for teams like us these issues change games and at the end of the season may lead to adverse effects. 

 

I hope many of you feel the same, or have I gone off on one? 

 

 

 

 

[northeastowl]

IMO you are correct. In the last couple of weeks referees have clamped down on diving that much that legitimate fouls on players are being ignored and the player fouled booked for diving.

The referees aren't using enough common sense, they just seem to be booking everyone for diving recently.

[asteener1867]

I think Wednesday players are sometimes too honest...C.O.G was a prime example of that last season, 2 or 3 times when he could easily have gone down in the box, but didn't...JJ another...

[Offside_Owl]

The referee's what?

[Dan™]

I'm not sure the booking ad anything to do with Antonio's reputation, unless that's what the referee has admitted for some reason...?

 

After watching the highlights on TFLS it seemed to me that the ref just pulled the yellow straight out and showed it to Helan without really taking note of his number. Helan just ran off while the referee had his back to him, so I'm guessing when the ref turned back around he saw Antonio and mistakenly thought it was him who made the 'dive'.

[sten]

Excellent and Interesting post and really quite a worrying idea.

[Chriss]

Referee's are all to quick to book players for falling over when the real theatricals are in the premiership. The FA Should be allowed to review footage and hand out match bans when there is no contact, but this is never going to happen so we jus need to get used to the bad decisions like I put in another thread!

[Guest JonTheOwl66]

Bale doesn't dive.

[Offside_Owl]

Blimey, there is no apostrophe in referees the way you are ruddy using it.

[since59owe]

Blimey, there is no apostrophe in referees the way you are ruddy using it.

Right " Sir " punc'.

[Worksop Wednesday]

It has to be said the modern game for referee's is increasingly difficult, especially with the likes of Bale, Suarez, Young ect, who all fall down too theatrically. In terms of Wednesday and Antonio this has led to countless wrong decisions when Antonio has been cautioned for simulation 'unfairly', when it was clearly a foul, DJ knows it, and us as fans know this. 

 

The point I'm getting at is that to tighten up on diving the FA has put the pressure on referee's to come down hard on players who are theatrical. Now IMO and many others this has led to ref's deciding the outcome of tackles based on the players reputation, which unfortunately has led to Antonio developing one, and ultimately the mismanagement of football decisions widespread in the game.

 

Now then, the scenes of yesterday at Huddersfield has certainly dropped the FA and Referee Association in it, as Mick Russell issued two yellows to Jeremy Helan, stating after the match that the first, which was for the suspected simulation, was directed a Michail Antonio. This shows that in fact Mr Russell aimed this at Antonio for his 'reputation', getting mixed up with the similar race of the players. 

 

Ultimately this leads to two conclusions, was it;

 

-Human error (on the ref's part)

or

-Deliberate action towards a player (Antonio) based on his reputation, not the football.

 

It has to be said that with replays the challenge was in fact a foul and should have been a penalty, would this have been given if the ref didn't wrongfully presume the player was Antonio?

 

Based on previous matches and the incident highlighted on MOTD last night over the Bale's penalty shout, it shows that again the wrong decision was reached due to reputation.

 

Along with the probe into yesterdays match, the issue should be raised that referee's must immediately stop judging decisions based on the reputation of the player, when it should be based solely on the football, as for teams like us these issues change games and at the end of the season may lead to adverse effects. 

 

I hope many of you feel the same, or have I gone off on one? 

Absolutely agree with the point regarding 'reputation' and  suggested this yesterday at the end of the matchday thread only for the idea to be poo pood and negged by

 

one of the more 'high profile ITK Owlstalkers' who plainly does not flipping understand 

 

Also the suggestion that the ref saw Antonio as Helan turned away and for that reason booked him instead is not conclusive as the player in refs line of sight was actually Reda !!

 

So how did Antonio come into ref's mind?

 

That there may be similarity in looks could  also play a part but Antonio is probably more well known than Helan

[sharrowowl]

I don't thinkAntonio has a reputation at all - there isn't enough media exposure of championship.

 

I'm all for cracking down on diving though and having seen antonio's booking i do think it was a dive by Helan.

 

They need to crack down even more for me and its not just a premiership issue. Penalties are given far too easily nowadays - contact doesn't mean its a foul.

[oldishowl]

Referees certainly make decisions based on a players reputation. Bale and suarez get treated differently to other players. However these are high profile players who are continually in the media.

Antonio equally does not get fair treatment and i think there is something in the opening post. The bigger worry is how does this reputation spread. Antonio has not had any media coverage so refs are either sitting down togther and discussing " names" or names of players to watch are circulated amongst them in some way.

Sounds a bit far fetched but how else can it happen

[Worksop Wednesday]

IMO he does have a reputation ( wrongly) as does/should  Zaha and one or two others

 

its horses for courses - most Championship refs dont ref in premiership so dont officiate bale , suarez, etc but will be aware of the concerns over the issue

 

and are likely to identify 'divers' in their 'territory' ie championship, league1 and 2 and they must surely talk to each other at some point even if only on  social media or forums like this !!

 

they will have their own versions of bale and suarez in the likes of zaha, antonio etc

[Carl Shutt is God]

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Bale thinks he doesn't dive.</p></blockquote>

[Guest JonTheOwl66]

No, Bale doesn't dive. Every single one of his 'dives' he was clipped.

Apart from the one against Aston Villa of course.

[Carl Shutt is God]

He goes down so easily though. Says a lot about the mentalitly of footballers to go down at every opportunity. Its ingrained in them.

[Guest JonTheOwl66]

He goes down so easily though. Says a lot about the mentalitly of footballers to go down at every opportunity. Its ingrained in them.

 

This sort of sentence frustrates me. When you are running at the speed that Gareth Bale runs at, with his long, gangly frame too.. Any sort of contact and it's impossible for him to stay up right. Same with Cristiano Ronaldo too. At Manchester United, he was 'accused' of diving all the time.. But he was the same as Bale. 

 

Sometimes, going down easily is also the safest thing for a player to do. 

[Carl Shutt is God]

At times yes your right they have to go down but players regularly go down all the time when they don't need to. If they are knocked off balance and can't stay up fair enough but many will look to get contact then fall over. Bale falls over very easily sometimes when he could stay on his feet other times the contact is enough that he needs to go down.

The thing I hate so much about football is diving and feigning injury. Look at Nasri yesterday. One minute he is rolling around like he has been shot the next he is jumping up in the other players face.

[HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU]

It has to be said the modern game for referee's is increasingly difficult, especially with the likes of Bale, Suarez, Young ect, who all fall down too theatrically. In terms of Wednesday and Antonio this has led to countless wrong decisions when Antonio has been cautioned for simulation 'unfairly', when it was clearly a foul, DJ knows it, and us as fans know this. 

 

The point I'm getting at is that to tighten up on diving the FA has put the pressure on referee's to come down hard on players who are theatrical. Now IMO and many others this has led to ref's deciding the outcome of tackles based on the players reputation, which unfortunately has led to Antonio developing one, and ultimately the mismanagement of football decisions widespread in the game.

 

Now then, the scenes of yesterday at Huddersfield has certainly dropped the FA and Referee Association in it, as Mick Russell issued two yellows to Jeremy Helan, stating after the match that the first, which was for the suspected simulation, was directed a Michail Antonio. This shows that in fact Mr Russell aimed this at Antonio for his 'reputation', getting mixed up with the similar race of the players. 

 

Ultimately this leads to two conclusions, was it;

 

-Human error (on the ref's part)

or

-Deliberate action towards a player (Antonio) based on his reputation, not the football.

 

It has to be said that with replays the challenge was in fact a foul and should have been a penalty, would this have been given if the ref didn't wrongfully presume the player was Antonio?

 

Based on previous matches and the incident highlighted on MOTD last night over the Bale's penalty shout, it shows that again the wrong decision was reached due to reputation.

 

Along with the probe into yesterdays match, the issue should be raised that referee's must immediately stop judging decisions based on the reputation of the player, when it should be based solely on the football, as for teams like us these issues change games and at the end of the season may lead to adverse effects. 

 

I hope many of you feel the same, or have I gone off on one? 

I've said this myself.

 

The referee must already have been informed about Antonnio's reputation, I reckon he didn't even look at Helan's number, he suspected a dive, and Antonnio's name came to mind.

 

And we're told referee's don't go into games looking for players.