scram Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Aren't they all? Exactly It can be filed with the ubiquitous "highly regarded" as meaning, well, fuck all basically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Aren't they all? Going back to the opening post though, the Wenger example is a most illuminating one. The idea that Arsenal fans generally are in any position to suggest they know better than him just shows what imbeciles follow clubs and how automatic some of the responses can be. This is part of the reason why I find a lot of this criticism so bloody irritating. A bunch of teachers, bus drivers and the jobless, with no comprehension of their own relative ignorance, lecturing one of the best managers in the game with witless cliches and accepted wisdom is just laughable. Similar observations can be made with Dave Jones here but obviously there is rather a large gulf between his achievements and those of Wenger which make some of the criticisms only slightly more justified. It sounds like in an ideal world for you, the supporters wouldnt have much of an opinion on anything. Its these opinions which make the game I think, if everyone just said "hes the boss, leave him to it", even if correct, the game would be sterile and there would be a lack of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubled123456 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 So Dave Jones is maybe not so good at coaching. On all the evidence he's not very good at player recruitment either. So cany anybody please explain just what he is good at? Yes, HE says he has a good record in football and you don't become bad over night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE REF Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 ITK DJ spends most of his time in the office on the job pages .. you will find the coaching is left to that guy who gets dressed in the dark and his oppo.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshfish Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Exactly It can be filed with the ubiquitous "highly regarded" as meaning, well, fuck all basically Maybe so, but it 'appeared' that Burton was highly regarded amongst his peers and many others actively involved in the game. I'm talking from a position of complete ignorance of course, so it would be useful to get a clearer indication of just how good TB was/is....if anyone knows owt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) It sounds like in an ideal world for you, the supporters wouldnt have much of an opinion on anything. Its these opinions which make the game I think, if everyone just said "hes the boss, leave him to it", even if correct, the game would be sterile and there would be a lack of interest. Yes, that's pretty much exactly what I said isn't it? I've hardly amassed nearly 20,000 posts on a football forum without the occasional opinion on football matters have I? Edited December 13, 2012 by DJMortimer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubled123456 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Today on Talksport, when discussing Arsenal being beaten by Bradford, it was stated that Arsene Wenger insists on doing the first team coaching but is not a very good coach. Without wanting to discuss anything to do with Arsenal (except perhaps we could do with Terry Burton back), it crossed my mind that maybe that's our biggest problem. I hear everyone screaming for new strikers, wingers, central midfield, central defender etc in the transfer window. Perhaps the answer is to spend some money on a top coach to help Dave Jones. This isn't necessarily a criticism of DJ, as I clearly don't get to see the work being done with the first team squad, but we currently appear to be blundering along in the dark, devoid of ideas and/or organisation or drive. Many of our players are underperforming. Is it that they're not up to it or just badly coached. Gardener and Taylor surely haven't become bad players overnight - they were clearly rated at their old clubs. Players like Morrison didn't get a look in at Wednesday, but has become a success after moving on - far from the first to do so. Perhaps a top coach would be a cheaper and more successful answer to our current predicament. I'd be interested in the views of some of the players, but that's hardly likely. Seems like Arsene acts like a dictator according to the Daily Mail and you now it must be right if you read it in the paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darth Sturrock Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 He'a good at teaching 'The Learning Curve'. Ahem, "The Lairning Cairve" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubled123456 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Yes, that's pretty much exactly what I said isn't it? I've hardly amassed nearly 20,000 posts on a football forum without the occasional opinion on football matters have I? love that pic of JFK mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubled123456 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Ahem, "The Lairning Cairve" It seems that he's finally dropped the learning curve comment. However, he's still boasting about his record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 love that pic of JFK mate. Thanks, but I didn't take it. He was the last real American president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagmeister Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Aren't they all? Going back to the opening post though, the Wenger example is a most illuminating one. The idea that Arsenal fans generally are in any position to suggest they know better than him just shows what imbeciles follow clubs and how automatic some of the responses can be. This is part of the reason why I find a lot of this criticism so bloody irritating. A bunch of teachers, bus drivers and the jobless, with no comprehension of their own relative ignorance, lecturing one of the best managers in the game with witless cliches and accepted wisdom is just laughable. Similar observations can be made with Dave Jones here but obviously there is rather a large gulf between his achievements and those of Wenger which make some of the criticisms only slightly more justified. There has been loads of guff spouted on here both for and against Jones to be fair. Personally I believe the actions of Jones this season allied to the albeit circumstantial confirmation in terms of results and league position make it totally reasonable for fans and observers to stringently question his performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 There has been loads of guff spouted on here both for and against Jones to be fair. Personally I believe the actions of Jones this season allied to the albeit circumstantial confirmation in terms of results and league position make it totally reasonable for fans and observers to stringently question his performance. I have no problem with people mining at that very rich seam. What I do object to is them dragging dead puppies down there with them and claiming Jones was responsible for that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagmeister Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Thanks, but I didn't take it. He was the last real American president. There is a saying that everyone remembers what they were doing when the news came through. I was 9 and the years have erased much from my memory but for me this is certainly true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 There is a saying that everyone remembers what they were doing when the news came through. I was 9 and the years have erased much from my memory but for me this is certainly true. I wonder if Lee Harvey Oswald remembered what he was doing? I know what he wasn't doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagmeister Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) I have no problem with people mining at that very rich seam. What I do object to is them dragging dead puppies down there with them and claiming Jones was responsible for that too. Jones was the cause of the world economic crisis. FACT Edited December 13, 2012 by Dagmeister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagmeister Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I wonder if Lee Harvey Oswald remembered what he was doing? I know what he wasn't doing. His memory started failing when Jack Ruby got to him to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReginaldD Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Someone who's not been mentioned already who knows about about coaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsie Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Exactly It can be filed with the ubiquitous "highly regarded" as meaning, well, fuck all basically steve mcclaren was regarded as one of the best coaches in the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshfish Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 shteve mcclaren wash regarded ash one of the besht coachesh in the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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