soldierowl Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Today on Talksport, when discussing Arsenal being beaten by Bradford, it was stated that Arsene Wenger insists on doing the first team coaching but is not a very good coach. Without wanting to discuss anything to do with Arsenal (except perhaps we could do with Terry Burton back), it crossed my mind that maybe that's our biggest problem. I hear everyone screaming for new strikers, wingers, central midfield, central defender etc in the transfer window. Perhaps the answer is to spend some money on a top coach to help Dave Jones. This isn't necessarily a criticism of DJ, as I clearly don't get to see the work being done with the first team squad, but we currently appear to be blundering along in the dark, devoid of ideas and/or organisation or drive. Many of our players are underperforming. Is it that they're not up to it or just badly coached. Gardener and Taylor surely haven't become bad players overnight - they were clearly rated at their old clubs. Players like Morrison didn't get a look in at Wednesday, but has become a success after moving on - far from the first to do so. Perhaps a top coach would be a cheaper and more successful answer to our current predicament. I'd be interested in the views of some of the players, but that's hardly likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robswfc Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Wenger not a good coach? Right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Owl Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I agree. We have many problems but I believe the biggest one is whatever goes off at the training ground. We can't even do the basics at times like Pass and Move or mark the opposition when they're attacking us. The tactics or lack of are the burning issue. Who is overseeing the training and if not DJ why not? I am convinced if Terry Burton had still been here we would be pushing for a top six finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the mighty wednesday Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) I agree. We have many problems but I believe the biggest one is whatever goes off at the training ground. We can't even do the basics at times like Pass and Move or mark the opposition when they're attacking us. The tactics or lack of are the burning issue. Who is overseeing the training and if not DJ why not? I am convinced if Terry Burton had still been here we would be pushing for a top six finish. Not so sure we would be pushing for the top six but there have been times when we don't seem to know who should be taking free kicks. There was also the confusion re Lines's penalty and many times our corners have been one dimensional ie failing to beat the first man. There has been an inability or lack of will or instruction to press the opposition and we have been content to get behind the ball even when we are losing and chasing the game. Maybe with Terry Burton back we might be pushing for escaping the bottom three. Edited December 12, 2012 by the mighty wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ripley Owl Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 There's been about 5 Terry Burton threads making a similar point ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierowl Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 The point is this wasn't started as a Terry Burton thread, but whether bringing in (at less cost than the 3 or 4 players people are suggesting) as good a coach as we could attract/pay would be better value for money to shape up the squad we already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tabz Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I heard that on talks sport as well and also later on in the programs on TS talking about Spanish league needing money for certain clubs and ar willing to sell players so there's a few bargains to be looked at not saying we got the most money but worth a look at look at swansea with michu I heard that on talks sport as well and also later on in the programs on TS talking about Spanish league needing money for certain clubs and ar willing to sell players so there's a few bargains to be looked at not saying we got the most money but worth a look at look at swansea with michu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_owl_92 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) Has James Beattie hanging around over summer allowed him to pass on his poo goal scoring record to us? Robbie Fowler was hanging around with us last season when we were doing well. Maybe DJ should give him a call and get him involved with the strikers on the training pitch. Can't make things any worse surely? Edited December 12, 2012 by rob_owl_92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahrain Owl Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Today on Talksport, when discussing Arsenal being beaten by Bradford, it was stated that Arsene Wenger insists on doing the first team coaching but is not a very good coach. Without wanting to discuss anything to do with Arsenal (except perhaps we could do with Terry Burton back), it crossed my mind that maybe that's our biggest problem. I hear everyone screaming for new strikers, wingers, central midfield, central defender etc in the transfer window. Perhaps the answer is to spend some money on a top coach to help Dave Jones. This isn't necessarily a criticism of DJ, as I clearly don't get to see the work being done with the first team squad, but we currently appear to be blundering along in the dark, devoid of ideas and/or organisation or drive. Many of our players are underperforming. Is it that they're not up to it or just badly coached. Gardener and Taylor surely haven't become bad players overnight - they were clearly rated at their old clubs. Players like Morrison didn't get a look in at Wednesday, but has become a success after moving on - far from the first to do so. Perhaps a top coach would be a cheaper and more successful answer to our current predicament. I'd be interested in the views of some of the players, but that's hardly likely. For the last two months I have been saying this mate. i dont get to matches but what I have seen on telly, heard on radio and picked up from here and there it seemed to me a good roll of the dice. I suggested to bring in Chris Waddle as a midfield coach - crap managerial record but this would have a double whammy affect 1) the experience of a very well known and accepted attacking midfielder and 2) idol - people through the turnstiles. The second option I thought about was Robbie Fowler as he is spending his time coaching teenagers in Indonesia and Thailand these days (no disrespect to Robbie or the people he is coaching implied or intended). Fowler and DJ are also very big buddies. The first step is probably DJ having the gonads to ask for help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Forward Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 So Dave Jones is maybe not so good at coaching. On all the evidence he's not very good at player recruitment either. So cany anybody please explain just what he is good at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando_Trustful Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 So Dave Jones is maybe not so good at coaching. On all the evidence he's not very good at player recruitment either. So cany anybody please explain just what he is good at? He'a good at teaching 'The Learning Curve'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsidney Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 He'a good at teaching 'The Learning Curve'. just a shame its curving the wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando_Trustful Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 just a shame its curving the wrong way. Yes. And fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl999 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Well I've heard from a decent source Jones is hardly at Middlewood for training or in Sheffield for that fact.... I'm only repeating what I've been told, before I get slagged off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightbelow Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Talksport.....that was the end of this thread for me. Any station that allows that plank Darren Gough to talk about football should have their licence revoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshfish Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) Terry Burton was regarded as one of the best coaches in the country and had worked with DJ since being at Cardiff. When he left, Wilkinson, the Cardiff reserve team coach, was promoted from within. This is only my opinion but it seems someone made the easy decision without realising the impact it would make on the team. No disrespect to Wilkinson, but in hindsight surely the more difficult but better option would have been to bring in a coach of the same calibre as Burton, if possible. All speculation of course but the basic errors that we are seeing regularly have only reappeared since Burton leaving...and just as an aside...two things....play to the fookin' whistle and for the love of god get the ball beyond the first players at corners...ta... Edited December 13, 2012 by Freshfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. Chow Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 didn't we lose a coach and now ever since we have been poo , so may make sense tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Terry Burton was regarded as one of the best coaches in the country... Aren't they all? Going back to the opening post though, the Wenger example is a most illuminating one. The idea that Arsenal fans generally are in any position to suggest they know better than him just shows what imbeciles follow clubs and how automatic some of the responses can be. This is part of the reason why I find a lot of this criticism so bloody irritating. A bunch of teachers, bus drivers and the jobless, with no comprehension of their own relative ignorance, lecturing one of the best managers in the game with witless cliches and accepted wisdom is just laughable. Similar observations can be made with Dave Jones here but obviously there is rather a large gulf between his achievements and those of Wenger which make some of the criticisms only slightly more justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Sewell Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Well I've heard from a decent source Jones is hardly at Middlewood for training or in Sheffield for that fact.... I'm only repeating what I've been told, before I get slagged off. To paraphrase The Full Monty- he can't sing, he can't dance, not being funny but what does he do? Seriously it doesn't look like just a matter of what we spend in January, but equally that this squad is already under performing as a group for whatever reason. Most of them have proved themselves previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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