@owlstalk Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Sheffield Wednesday manager Dave Jones hopes a moment of “stupidity†from centre-half Miguel Llera has not nudged him closer to being axed at Hillsborough. The incident came in stoppage time in Wednesday’s Championship relegation battle with Bristol City on Saturday. The Owls looked to be cruising at 2-1 to only their third win in 18 league games when Sam Baldock’s penalty and Albert Adomah’s stunning free-kick turned the game on its head. The Owls poured forward in desperate search of an equaliser and looked to have won a spot-kick of their own when Richard Foster blocked Rodri’s goal-bound effort with an outstretched arm. Referee Andre Marriner waved away the Owls’ appeals and, while several Wednesday players complained, the ball was crossed back in front of goal and Gary Madine netted. Amid confusion on the pitch, and all around Hillsborough, Marriner booked Owls defender Llera and then awarded City a free-kick, rather than a penalty or a goal to the hosts. Marriner accused Llera of pushing him in the melee after the penalty call, something the defender later denied. “The coaches feel under pressure, the players feel under pressure, but if you lose your job through (Llera’s) stupidity I think that’s a bit harsh,†said Jones. “If I lose my job because a referee deems it’s not a goal, that’s a bit harsh. “But that decision will be taken out of my hands anyway, it always has been at every club I have been at. My record is there to be shot at, there won’t be many holes in (it). “I have seen the referee and the referee says that he pushed him. If Miguel has pushed him, then that’s the stupidity of it. “Miguel says he didn’t so if he didn’t then the referee has made a decision I have never seen before in football. It was a clear-cut penalty, the guy man-handles it as it’s going in the back of the net, but he (Marriner) says he didn’t see it. The linesman has to see it. “It was just one of many things that he didn’t see. “Miguel should have carried on playing – the ball was still alive, he is not going to change his mind and he ran at him. “I don’t see any movement from the referee, but that’s what happens sometimes when you are down there. Things always seem to go against you and you have to turn that luck around.†City manager Derek McInnes believes Wednesday were unlucky not to be awarded the late penalty but said Marriner was right to penalise Llera for being “over-aggressiveâ€. “I think the ref has a decision to make on the hand ball,†he said. “But he gives a free-kick prior to the ball going in the net – my players have said they heard a whistle before the ball went into the net. “For me, the only thing I have seen is the over-reaction of the centre-back grabbing the referee with both hands; it was over-aggressive. “You can’t man-handle the referee, he is quite within his rights to give a free-kick, that’s a fact. “Whether Sheffield Wednesday might have had a penalty before that is another matter, but before the shot came in the referee’s whistle had clearly gone. “The complaint they should have is whether it was a penalty or not. It could have gone either way.†Wednesday had taken the lead after just two minutes through Llera’s header but the centre-half then felled Baldock, who picked himself up to convert the first of two penalties for the visitors. Madine netted his third goal of the season on 79 minutes, only for the striker to needlessly handle inside his own area to gift City a second equaliser. When Adomah blasted home a 20-yard free kick with two minutes remaining, Wednesday were on their way to a seventh successive defeat in the Championship, which leaves them next to bottom ahead of Saturday’s derby at Barnsley, who are also in the drop zone, just three points clear of the Owls but encouraged by a 2-2 draw at promotion-chasers Leicester City. Middlesbrough, in third place, are Yorkshire’s top Championship club after a 3-2 win at bottom club Peterborough. Hull City are level with the Boro on 38 points after a 2-1 victory at Watford. http://www.yorkshire...ostly-1-5210567 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando_Trustful Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 It doesn't matter about your oh so special 'past record' Dave. You're failing miserably at present, sort it flipping out ASAP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almat Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) To be honest, DJ getting the sack isn't going to come down to the actions of one player in one game. I think the fact that we have amassed 8 points from the last 54 may play a bigger part, don't you, Dave? Edited December 10, 2012 by Almat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Pass the blame, thats our Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshfish Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 ...play to the whistle...school boy stuff...happened against Watford too and costs us games It's alright DJ being vague but the coaching staff and management have to take responsibility and deal with it amongst the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 He's a desperate man living on borrowed time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bedders Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Useless ref again! Sick of this bloke tbh! Cost us two matches now (v Tranmere at home 2005 as well with a wrong decision) Sooner they bring in goal-line technology & make these clowns 'accountable' the happier I'll be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Sounds pretty desperate stuff to me, it's a shame Milan can't see that. Jones is fast running out of ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 must like LLierra though keeps putting his name up in lights , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 Useless ref again! You have to win DESPITE the referee's The time for moaning about referees is over Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 You have to win DESPITE the referee's The time for moaning about referees is over Agreed. We do get some awful refs, but they can hardly be held accountable for a return of four wins out of twenty one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MrsGoggins Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Lets hope so, this run is bad. I thought it was bad in 74/75 but we actually have less points after 21 games than we did in that awfull season. http://www.adrianbullock.com/swfc/stats/lg1975.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIOwl Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I can't stand to listen to one more of his interviews. Please be gone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee A Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) I really dont think the ref was awful on Saturday at all, in fact I thought other than missing that handball late on he was very good. Even if he was the worst referee in the world though, he's not to blame for our current situation, people like Dave Jones and Miguel Llera however are, and to go on about referees would just be a poor attempt to divert attention from the real problems at hand. Edited December 10, 2012 by Lee A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lythamowl Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Llera for manager ! Vote miguel !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bedders Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 You have to win DESPITE the referee's The time for moaning about referees is over That's easy to say.......but I remember a top athlete moaning about drug cheats saying that natural runners were trying to compete with them was akin to someone turning up on a metaphorical bike.....that's how much the difference was! Refs have the ability to change games drastically, & don't give me this rhubarb about decisions balancing themselves out over a season....... Some of the decisions are that bad it's embarrassing now............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdan2003 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 But he's right though. Loads of people have deemed the Bristol game as the one that defines the season, it was assumed DJ would be gone if we lost, or would be given further time had we won. It does seem a bit harsh to boot him after that...because, we played ok. We deserved the win. We lost by 2 pens and a free kick...and then that travesty at the end. Really harsh, and it's about time we started getting a bit of luck. These are the inches of the game that affect a season...or a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 Refs have the ability to change games drastically, & don't give me this rhubarb about decisions balancing themselves out over a season....... Some of the decisions are that bad it's embarrassing now............ 1) Carry on regardless, score more goals and win DESPITE the refs.. 2) Argue against em, push em, blame them and get nowhere Whinging about referees will get nowhere - they're not gonna change this season - so turn a negative into a positive and crack on Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosbyKitchens Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I really dont think the ref was awful on Saturday at all, in fact I thought other than missing that handball late on he was very good. Even if he was the worst referee in the world though, he's not to blame for our current situation, people like Dave Jones and Miguel Llera however are, and to go on about referees would just be a poor attempt to divert attention from the real problems at hand. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Owl 2 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Pathetic from Jones. Its NEVER his fault is it? He has created a mess and doesn't have a f*cking clue what to do. So he blames others and hopes people will lap it up. TIME TO GO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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