Owl_in_Hudds Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 i know this is a bit radical but why not do what they used to do in the past .............give the current manager time to turn things round ?? i'll probably get shot to pieces for this but will changing manager(again) change anything ...and if it did would we want HIM sacking when it goes bad ? is it too daft to give a manager time to try and change things or am in just living in the past ? I Know thats how modern football works, ie, sack a manager after less than 12 months if there is no instant success etc but does it really help us ? How many times have we got rid of managers and found ourselves in exactly the same situation 12 months later? I remember in years gone by managers were given a couple/few seasons to make an impact not a few months. is it a case of managers need at least a couple of years to change the club to their way of doing things or simply down to the fact that decent/good turn bad at their job when they take on our club ? I'm not necesarily trying to defend DJ as its all about results and he aint getting them at the moment, but we're not a rich billionaire's play thing where the club is expected to be succesful due to the amount of money spent by the owners, but for 10-12 years we have been a struggling club on and off the field and i personally think it just needs some stability and changing managers every 9 months will NEVER help the football club. Now i will stand back and take the fire ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 it worked to an extent last season did it not , until a certain manager we all know as DJbought his bin dipping best inand we have ended up where we are ,his right hand man has gone and with it the expectations of a good side ,so sorry we have been patient to long and we are on the road to nowhere ,he has to go , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppers Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 So does he just need a new right hand man? Who was the guy we loved that worked with Megson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sweet&TenderOwl Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 The problem with giving jones more time is that it gives our next manager less time to save us Exactly. DJ has to go ASAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl_in_Hudds Posted December 8, 2012 Author Share Posted December 8, 2012 it worked to an extent last season did it not , until a certain manager we all know as DJbought his bin dipping best inand we have ended up where we are ,his right hand man has gone and with it the expectations of a good side ,so sorry we have been patient to long and we are on the road to nowhere ,he has to go , Yes it did, which is part of my point - DJ has proved he is good enough to make a difference - he did it last year and the 1st month of this season so whats to say he wont /cant do it again ? maybe not immediately but in another 9 months, we'd forget about where we are now and go on to enjoy a good time under him !! part of the problem with football today is no one is given a chance to build clubs like Shankly, Clough, Ferguson in the past and to an extent how Big Jack, Wilko and Ron were with us ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Harry the Owl Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 The problem with giving jones more time is that it gives our next manager less time to save us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 A lot of people are disregarding how we are actully playing on the pitch and simply looking at results. A couple of poor peformances reinforcing their opinions. Then the last two performances have been encouraging but again no points. I know it is a results based business but it would be harsh on DJ to get rid. Many of the anti DJ comments are unfair and unfounded. The bottom line is points and sometimes a new broom might sweep clean, change our luck or what ever. But then again can we attract a manager that has better credentials than DJ. I have to admit that I really don't know the answer. I do know that "DJ out" is not a clear cut solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I wouldn't give him another second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPQR-10 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 DJ has to go before the damage is irreparable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl_in_Hudds Posted December 8, 2012 Author Share Posted December 8, 2012 A lot of people are disregarding how we are actully playing on the pitch and simply looking at results. A couple of poor peformances reinforcing their opinions. Then the last two performances have been encouraging but again no points. I know it is a results based business but it would be harsh on DJ to get rid. Many of the anti DJ comments are unfair and unfounded. The bottom line is points and sometimes a new broom might sweep clean, change our luck or what ever. But then again can we attract a manager that has better credentials than DJ. I have to admit that I really don't know the answer. I do know that "DJ out" is not a clear cut solution. Good point, when we appointed Jones everyone was saying what a great appointment and how its ace we can get a manager of his calibre in. Thing is i would be happy to see Jones go if it meant we got a better manager and a better team etc but i'm not really sure that there is anyone better out there at the moment - there's lots of unemployed managers who would probably jump at teh chance of having SWFC on their CV but are probably no better than Jones or indeed Megson were. it would be changing for the sake of it in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieowl87 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 8 points in 3 1/2 months. 7 games lost in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
townend_owl Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Times have changed. Back in the day, relegation was nowhere near as catastrophic financially as it is now. A season or 2 dropping down can lose you literally millions (didn't they say promotion was worth about £4mil in added TV revenue alone?). Chairmen can simply not afford to run the risk of relegation if they can help it - and Milan is certainly one of those in a position to make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMOwl72 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Will changing manager change anything? Ask Ipswich fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedgehog Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Thing is if we sack jones who do we realistically replace him with who can do a better job? Better alternatives are thin on the ground or frankly just fecking awful. I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than have someone like billy Davies in charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl_in_Hudds Posted December 8, 2012 Author Share Posted December 8, 2012 Thing is if we sack jones who do we realistically replace him with who can do a better job? Better alternatives are thin on the ground or frankly just fecking awful. I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than have someone like billy Davies in charge Like i said, change for changes sake rather than because there is a much better alternative... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
townend_owl Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Thing is if we sack jones who do we realistically replace him with who can do a better job? Better alternatives are thin on the ground or frankly just fecking awful. I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than have someone like billy Davies in charge Can a new manager realistically do any worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wharncliffeowl Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I was hoping for an end to the managerial merry go round but 15 defeats in the last19 games does not inspire confidence in me that the current manager (in a league he claims to know all about) is the right man. A few draws along the way to tide us over whilst regrouping and sorting ourselves out would have made a difference but 15 defeats in 19 takes some defending.(no pun intended) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) we are flatlining,we are not taking chances when they present themselves we can't keep a cleansheet nothing in the remotist is working whetherwe like it or not dj and wednesday do not fit anymore ,hoping every week and recieving a kick up the preverbial ,players bereft of ideas,if we go behind or failing to hold onto a win ,more excuses than there has ever been heard of , Dj's its never been his fault and it's everyone elases from individual players to the fans , wasteful spending of the budget in buying or bringing in developement players instead of sorting the first team ,bringing in players who he disregards himself which amounts to wages wasted ,continuouse playing of Bothroyed when half the time he didn't merit it ,bringing in sideby who aint played for two years previous, and wait for it another left back to add to the abundance we allready have ,failing to recognise that the quality players we need in key positions were not brought in ,playing square pegs in round holes like he said he wouldn't do , ,the list go's on and on ,and to top it all saying he dosent know what to do ,all that gives me so much confidence in him remaining as manager , Edited December 8, 2012 by trevdi9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big john Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Should have gone a long time ago Milans mistake could be very costly to him and more importantly us, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatfordOwl Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 A lot of people are disregarding how we are actully playing on the pitch and simply looking at results. A couple of poor peformances reinforcing their opinions. Then the last two performances have been encouraging but again no points. I know it is a results based business but it would be harsh on DJ to get rid. Many of the anti DJ comments are unfair and unfounded. The bottom line is points and sometimes a new broom might sweep clean, change our luck or what ever. But then again can we attract a manager that has better credentials than DJ. I have to admit that I really don't know the answer. I do know that "DJ out" is not a clear cut solution. Cracking post and I would have backed this up until the last couple of games however you have to consider who those performances have come against. Bristol City a side who are in and around us struggling for a bit of form and a side we should in our current predicament be getting 3 points off especially at home and that is what most people will look to not the refereeing decisions or rub of the green but the fact we cannot put a side away that most of us here would be expecting us to beat. You're right in what you say about attracting a better manager.....we'll struggle to do it at the present moment so maybe we have to consider that what we have is the best we can get at the moment. I want DJ to turn it around and prove everyone wrong however history will tell you that it is unlikely to happen. It would be a harsh sacking.....not quite Di Matteo esque but harsh nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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