gurujuan Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Like I say, Koumas or a Koumas type player could be the making of Lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRUCE LEE Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 People say its no risk... but if we signed Koumas on P/P deal its unlikely we'd sign another quality midfielder with him. I'd rather focus elsewhere tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) People say its no risk... but if we signed Koumas on P/P deal its unlikely we'd sign another quality midfielder with him. I'd rather focus elsewhere tbh. Would such a deal really be structured so that if he wasn't playing he literally wasn't paid? Surely not? It could still cost some serious coin for a player who might turn out to be a waste of space, and like you said it might be better spent on a longer term solution. Edited May 22, 2012 by DJMortimer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrbuk Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 it would imply he's not the most dependable of signings. i can understand p-a-y-p deals for injury-prone players of quality, because you balance the risk versus benefit with cost in mind. there's nothing to suggest Koumas is injury-prone, but question marks over his motivation. i dunno; DJ calls himself a builder - you don't build on uncertainty... Maybe he'd be looking at a role where he plays a bit and helps with the development squad too? Everyone's happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRUCE LEE Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Would such a deal really be structured so that if he wasn't playing he literally wasn't paid? Surely not? It could still cost some serious coin for a player who might turn out to be a waste of space. You often see the 'bonus' elements of the contract increased to compensate the pay gaps. Appearence, goal, win, play a specfic amount of games, etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s110wl Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) I reckon just another case of lazy journalism. Widely reported that koumiss was "training" with us last year - is that even true?? - so they've just put two and two together but probably got three... I don't trust a word that comes out of that horrible little rag Edit...If It is true, then I trust DJ to make the right decisions. He wouldn't offer this kind of deal if he didn't think koumas could be a valuable edition to the squad. Say we were paying him a basic wage of 2k per week, with a bonus of another 3 if he starts a game, could be a really shrewd move. I echo the sentiments of those above who question why he hasn't played football for over a year mind.... Going to be a long, at times frustrating, but hopefully an extremely productive summer all in all. Sit tight fellow owls... UTO FTB Edited May 22, 2012 by s110wl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernOwl Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 This is the kind of deal you'd have to trust DJ with. He knows the lad well and must have an idea of his fitness. I'm sure DJ knows whether Koumas still has what it takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I reckon just another case of lazy journalism. Widely reported that koumiss was "training" with us last year - is that even true?? - so they've just put two and two together but probably got three... I don't trust a word that comes out of that horrible little rag quite possibly. the Koumas to Wednesday link has been running for a year now; will always help newspapers fill little voids on their pages... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lawrie Maddens Hump Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 No brainer. Win-win situation. If he's in the team, constantly, than that means he'll be playing well, so will be worth the money. If he is'nt playing in the team then he gets no brass. The onus is on Koumas to use his undoubted talent and recapture his form at this level. If not, he get no reward. Nothing more to be said on the subject, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Not for me thanks. Has missed an entire year of football - and why? Too greedy? Too lazy? Lost appetite? Who knows. Better options out there for us, surely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Not for me thanks. Has missed an entire year of football - and why? Too greedy? Too lazy? Lost appetite? Who knows. Better options out there for us, surely! These are the big questions aren't they? But Paul Scholes proved last season that a spell away from the game doesn't necessarily turn you into a lazy Sunday League gutbucket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lawrie Maddens Hump Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Would such a deal really be structured so that if he wasn't playing he literally wasn't paid? Surely not? It could still cost some serious coin for a player who might turn out to be a waste of space, and like you said it might be better spent on a longer term solution. Your right DJ. It would be a small contract (in comparison) with the bonus incentive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 If he's still got, quality and experience, two things that would enhance our midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lawrie Maddens Hump Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 These are the big questions aren't they? But Paul Scholes proved last season that a spell away from the game doesn't necessarily turn you into a lazy Sunday League gutbucket. Difference being Scholes retired and only for 4-5months. Koumas just can't be arsed (it would seem) and has been out the game for well over a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lythamowl Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I think we need a mixture of older and younger players. Kevin Phillips at Blackpool is now 103 and ended up being their top goal scorer and most of them were coming on as a sub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRUCE LEE Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 If it was a simple as that someone would have signed him over the last 18 months. Personally, I can't see DJ having Treacy AND Koumas in our midfield. Stick with Treacy, leave Koumas to someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRUCE LEE Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I think we need a mixture of older and younger players. Kevin Phillips at Blackpool is now 103 and ended up being their top goal scorer and most of them were coming on as a sub Phillips has a lot of personal drive to ensure he plays into his 40's. Koumas hasn't signed for anyone because he chose not to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I think we need this type of craft to unlock defences, whether its Koumas or someone else Not enough options for me with two wingers and Semedo and Lines in the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 If it was a simple as that someone would have signed him over the last 18 months. Personally, I can't see DJ having Treacy AND Koumas in our midfield. Stick with Treacy, leave Koumas to someone else. i agree, Treacy is the better prospect; he's on the way up, Koumas is on his way down. 23 versus 33. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 How good of Jason. Would rather sit on his arse for a year than lower himself to playing for us in League 1, but now we're in the Championship and moving forward, he's willing to grace us with his presence. Not for me thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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