DamnedOwl Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Personally I don't think we need to bring in ANOTHER player who can play there. We have Palmer, JJ, JOC, Seggy, Marshall, Prutton, Lines (& COKE) who could, and at some point have, all played there and done well. Like I said, I don't mind JOC playing on the right wing .... I would just prefer to play someone else, or at least try someone else for 1 game, and for Megson not to keep starting him to prove some sort of point. You may be right, but Megson just doesn't seem to be completely happy with playing anyone currently in the squad there at the moment. I suppose they all represent pros and cons, and obviously he sees the cons of playing the others to be greater than when he plays JOC there. I suppose from a results point of view (rather than the individual performances of players), he does seem to be on to something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 And does it really work? With three out of four of our midfield primarilly in there to stop the opposition, you would think we'd be inpenetatable away from home. It generally takes sides less than 10 minutes to break us down. Forget this obsession with stopping the opposition, get a creative player in there, and we might actually hand out this thrashing people keep say is coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 You can't argue with Megson's tactics, we are averaging 2 points per game, promotion form. So, accepting that playing a defensive left sided midfielder is part of Megson's tactics, and you don't want JOC playing, who else will do the chasing down, tackling, covering, and general donkey work in this position with the additional ability to pass and link up play? Who have we got better than JOC to do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sal1 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 No imagination needed, I can still remember Bury away. However good James O'Connor may, or may not be, he is not the left winger of a promotion winning side. I'm not having a go at JOC alone there. Sedgwick, Prutton, Palmer, and JJ are all makeshift left midfielders. Yes I think that's a good point. It would be good to think that we will be bringing a specialist in in January, or sooner (emergency loan on the understanding of a longer term arrangement in Jan). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euse Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 You can't argue with Megson's tactics, we are averaging 2 points per game, promotion form. So, accepting that playing a defensive left sided midfielder is part of Megson's tactics, and you don't want JOC playing, who else will do the chasing down, tackling, covering, and general donkey work in this position with the additional ability to pass and link up play? Who have we got better than JOC to do this? Palmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Palmer Aye, he's a right defensively minded player. Next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 But why do we need a defensive player in what is generally thought of as a creative position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 But why do we need a defensive player in what is generally thought of as a creative position? Cos it's a system that is generally working for us and allows us to give Marshall freedom to wreak havoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mas Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Aye, he's a right defensively minded player. Next? Sedgewick, he tracks back, can defend, and is better on the ball than JOC, and is actually a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sal1 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Palmer Palmer better on the right which is perhaps why he's not in. He'd probably have to switch Marshall to accommodate this which might be folly given how Marshall works with Buxton on the right. JOC obviously follows Megson's instructions to the letter. Just being in the right place (per match plan) should have a positive impact in nullifying opponents threats if nothing else. It seems that Megson doesn't want players catching the eye but going walkabout at key times and destroying the planned tactics. Generally the tactics are working at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Football is a team game, with our style of play relying upon all the constituent parts working together as a unit. Remove one of the cogs that make the system work and it all falls apart. So, while the system is generally working ok, why tinker with it? Someone tell me why we should waste games and points readjusting to a different set of cogs? The existing players like JOC in the team. Let's not create a Megson v Fans issue over JOC, it's counter productive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sal1 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Football is a team game, with our style of play relying upon all the constituent parts working together as a unit. Remove one of the cogs that make the system work and it all falls apart. So, while the system is generally working ok, why tinker with it? Someone tell me why we should waste games and points readjusting to a different set of cogs? The existing players like JOC in the team. Let's not create a Megson v Fans issue over JOC, it's counter productive I'll second that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 I think there may be a conversation to this going on down at the club Milan ".... Gary why do you keep playing James Gary .... Well he is the best we have got in that possition at the moment Milan .... Do you think we need another player for that possition Gary ...... I do Milan ....... Let Paul know who you want and we will get him for you in January Gary ..... Ta . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Yes on the face of it, it's hard to argue with the results, especially at home. But how much of that is down to playing a defensive midfielder on the wing? Would we have won any less matches if we'd decided to take the game to the opposition? For arguments sake, say we played JOG there instead of JOC, and went with a front three of JOG, Madine and Lowe, we may have a far better goal difference. In away matches we concede at over two a game so that's not working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest intercity0wl Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Yes on the face of it, it's hard to argue with the results, especially at home. But how much of that is down to playing a defensive midfielder on the wing? Would we have won any less matches if we'd decided to take the game to the opposition? For arguments sake, say we played JOG there instead of JOC, and went with a front three of JOG, Madine and Lowe, we may have a far better goal difference. In away matches we concede at over two a game so that's not working Jog ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Sorry COG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sal1 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Yes on the face of it, it's hard to argue with the results, especially at home. But how much of that is down to playing a defensive midfielder on the wing? Would we have won any less matches if we'd decided to take the game to the opposition? For arguments sake, say we played JOG there instead of JOC, and went with a front three of JOG, Madine and Lowe, we may have a far better goal difference. In away matches we concede at over two a game so that's not working Yes that's a reasonable theory and might happen if, perish the thought, we should go on a bad run. At the moment I am pretty pleased at where we're at though. We shouldn't obsess with goal difference though... its worth less than one point at the end of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Guns Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 If all the players like playing with joc then why do they keep the ball away from him at all times and owlsman it didn't work against carlise its been sussed out and prutton or even sedwick could do the same job but much better ,theres miles too much pressure on Marshall at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest owl96 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 JOC's job is to help kill any early threat from the opposition and provide a basis for a late assault on our opponents. Megson tries to ensure we don't concede the first goal. Then we have a platform from which we can attack the game to win it. Why hasn't anyone took notice of this? Generally speaking, it works. However, when it doesn't, normally when teams are really up for a game against us, and we receive a constant bombardment, and cracks eventually show, the blame cannot be laid squarely at the feet of one man. We need to defend better as a team. nailed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest owl96 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 (edited) Sedgewick, he tracks back, can defend, and is better on the ball than JOC, and is actually a winger. i'd rather play nicky weaver on the right than sedgwick. his workrate is fantastic and his commitment is admirable, but he's worse than JOC Edited October 28, 2011 by owl96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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