Guest Walkley_Owl Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I think its entirely unprofessional to make a statement like that about any individual as it makes it look like they don't give a poo poo. Maybe Dave had decided it was pointless to attend as it would be a case of listening to the same old tired rhetoric again - and thought he'd rather spend a weekend at the coast with his daughter and grandchildren??? Just a thought ^^^^ This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deleted member Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 In truth, he had a meeting arranged with Nick (after the last Q&A Dave approached Nick and said they should have a chat over a coffee and this meeting was Nick extending that courtesy to Dave). Nick answered all the questions he had there apparently. There was no request for Dave coupe not to turn up and no request to not ask any questions - in fact Nick commented to me last night that he was extremely surprised Dave wasn't at the meeting as he told Nick he was going to be there. Thats my understanding of it too - although it did seem overly coincidental that the meeting was called by Nick the day before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walkley_Owl Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 This is incorrect. Wednesdayite own 10%, the SA no shares at all. Indeed, collectively evidence exists (through the takeover initiative 3 years ago) that we could get about 23% to vote together on critical issues - not enough to win any resolution at any AGM or EGM. There are many things we are working on behind the scenes which are sensitive and in the fullness of time will come into the public domain. Just because we don't come into a public meeting with our AK47's doesn't mean that we are not discussing our concerns or not pursuing a variety of solutions to them. But however you look at this work in progress, it is going to be more productive having a line of communication with the SWFC Board than not. I can assure you that the members of the Wednesdayite Board don't get off on cosying up for the sake of it and there are some strong views within it, just the same as the general fan base. Contradicts from what I've heard from the WTID meetings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pahowl Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Contradicts from what I've heard from the WTID meetings Walkley I don't believe you ahve ever attended a WTID meeting?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grantholtsdiscopants Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 This is incorrect. Wednesdayite own 10%, the SA no shares at all. Indeed, collectively evidence exists (through the takeover initiative 3 years ago) that we could get about 23% to vote together on critical issues - not enough to win any resolution at any AGM or EGM. There are many things we are working on behind the scenes which are sensitive and in the fullness of time will come into the public domain. Just because we don't come into a public meeting with our AK47's doesn't mean that we are not discussing our concerns or not pursuing a variety of solutions to them. But however you look at this work in progress, it is going to be more productive having a line of communication with the SWFC Board than not. I can assure you that the members of the Wednesdayite Board don't get off on cosying up for the sake of it and there are some strong views within it, just the same as the general fan base. I will stand corrected on the stats then, thats fair enough. However, all this work that is going on "behind the scenes" is just the same line that we hear from the club. Its always sensitive, and in time will come into the public domain etc... NOTHING EVER HAPPENS. Am i wrong? By the way, i dont want this to turn into an argument, i just think its time people started asking questions of Wednesdayite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Contradicts from what I've heard from the WTID meetings I go from my personal and direct experience of being a Wednesdayite Director and being a party to all the extensive communications and views which pass between us daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeJayOne Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Thats my understanding of it too - although it did seem overly coincidental that the meeting was called by Nick the day before I can see why you'd think that. It was just that Nick was embarrassed it had gotten to the next Q&A before he had arranged the meeting with Dave, so he wanted to do it as soon as possible. SHEFFIELD SHOP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walkley_Owl Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Walkley I don't believe you ahve ever attended a WTID meeting?? HENCE the word HEARD!!! Of the 3 meetings, 1 was on a night my cousin fought professionally, 2 others were on Monday evenings which are taken up by other activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 He's itching to type 'Wednesdayshite', go on lad, get it out your system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deleted member Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I can see why you'd think that. It was just that Nick was embarrassed it had gotten to the next Q&A before he had arranged the meeting with Dave, so he wanted to do it as soon as possible. :-) Having met Nick I can believe this!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 This is incorrect. Wednesdayite own 10%, the SA no shares at all. Indeed, collectively evidence exists (through the takeover initiative 3 years ago) that we could get about 23% to vote together on critical issues - not enough to win any resolution at any AGM or EGM. There are many things we are working on behind the scenes which are sensitive and in the fullness of time will come into the public domain. Just because we don't come into a public meeting with our AK47's doesn't mean that we are not discussing our concerns or not pursuing a variety of solutions to them. But however you look at this work in progress, it is going to be more productive having a line of communication with the SWFC Board than not. I can assure you that the members of the Wednesdayite Board don't get off on cosying up for the sake of it and there are some strong views within it, just the same as the general fan base. How many shares would win a resolution at an AGM/EGM? Who could Wednesdayite and the SA (if they got together) get on side to force an issue? In my mind the way forward is for W'ite/SA to use their contacts put together a group of capable people to replace the current board then call an EGM to vote the old guard out. Would it be possible to do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls101 Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 We were critisised heavily for the previous Q&A being taken over by one of the Wednesdayite directors asking all the questions. We believe this is the members chance to ask questions. And the questions asked filled the 1 1/2 hours allotted. John had the question bank that had been collated from our members thorugh the survey and most of theose questions were covered by questions from the floor or from John's interjections. I am fortuante that I have had access to ask NP, LS, club employees etc questions of concern and get answers to these. My main questions to Bob were covered by members questions: When did you become a director and what was the debt then? and Now? - Covered by Joe Ashton What is our current financial state(banks position) and what is the budget for next season - coverd by Nigel Investment update- had DA "signed up" or not? - covered by several questions Are we really a cash neutral club? - covered by nigel The £1.5m and Ls ? answered by NP cash availability in Jan 10 ? - answered by NP Why can't we attract investment ? questioned by Ian What roles do the current board play? answered by BG Will the club take(and continue) the postives from LS's involvement - communication etc? answered by BG Does the manager or the board choose the players signed? - Answered by bG Have they considered fan investment via right sissue ? BG answered - cost of over £250k - would need to be guaranteed over £2.5m income to justify cost, need someone to underright it. The one question that I had that wasn;t asked by members on the night was in regard to Mick wrights involvement/ future involvment I had this answered and was advised that their is no intention to bring MW on to the board or make him chairman and that he newspaper article in the telegraph was written by ALAN BIGGS If there are questions which any of you think have been missed at the meeting let me know and i will seek answers. Sorry to repeat what another poster requested but can we have a brief summery of the answers to these questions for those for us based outside Sheffield and couldn’t attend the meeting. It would be much appreciated Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walkley_Owl Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 He's itching to type 'Wednesdayshite', go on lad, get it out your system. Nah, I'm over that phase, I wish them well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I will stand corrected on the stats then, thats fair enough. However, all this work that is going on "behind the scenes" is just the same line that we hear from the club. Its always sensitive, and in time will come into the public domain etc... NOTHING EVER HAPPENS. Am i wrong? By the way, i dont want this to turn into an argument, i just think its time people started asking questions of Wednesdayite. I have no choice other than to accept your point in the full knowledge that those who know me know that if I say something like this it is for the right reasons and in the best interests of SWFC. I have no axe to grind with you but I'd be interested to learn what your solution would be? As far as questions of Wednesdayite are concerned, please ask and I know we will answer what we reasonably can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grantholtsdiscopants Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I have no choice other than to accept your point in the full knowledge that those who know me know that if I say something like this it is for the right reasons and in the best interests of SWFC. I have no axe to grind with you but I'd be interested to learn what your solution would be? As far as questions of Wednesdayite are concerned, please ask and I know we will answer what we reasonably can. I dont mean specific questions, i mean in general. Im sure you all work hard around your other jobs etc... but from the outside looking in, i dont see anything. And i know others feel the same. You obviously cant tell me, and i wouldnt expect you to as you dont know me from adam, but people need to see whats going off "behind the scenes". As i said, nothing ever happens, and it needs to. My suggestion, without knowing any of the facts, would be to club together with as many of the shareholders and put something together in order to call an effective EGM. Other than that, Wednesdayite needs to be seen as being "Active", because at the moment you are an organisation that seemingly does nothing of any use to the general supporter who wants to see action. Is that fair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 How many shares would win a resolution at an AGM/EGM? Who could Wednesdayite and the SA (if they got together) get on side to force an issue? In my mind the way forward is for W'ite/SA to use their contacts put together a group of capable people to replace the current board then call an EGM to vote the old guard out. Would it be possible to do this? Historically around 65% of shareholders vote, so you would need around 33%. The SWFC Board has never been defeated on any resolution over the last 15 years of our decline; we even lost the vote on the club having to accept free donations from Wednesdayite, just to emphasise the point. There is lots happening behind the scenes to improve our future as a club, but it would be highly unlikely that any vote of shareholders will force any changes. Therefore, as it stands you need the approval of the current Board and/or Bank to make such changes as going hostile is a futile route if both of the aforementioned stick together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobHowe Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Therefore, as it stands you need the approval of the current Board and/or Bank to make such changes as going hostile is a futile route if both of the aforementioned stick together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I dont mean specific questions, i mean in general. Im sure you all work hard around your other jobs etc... but from the outside looking in, i dont see anything. And i know others feel the same. You obviously cant tell me, and i wouldnt expect you to as you dont know me from adam, but people need to see whats going off "behind the scenes". As i said, nothing ever happens, and it needs to. My suggestion, without knowing any of the facts, would be to club together with as many of the shareholders and put something together in order to call an effective EGM. Other than that, Wednesdayite needs to be seen as being "Active", because at the moment you are an organisation that seemingly does nothing of any use to the general supporter who wants to see action. Is that fair? I would refer you to my above answer to Donny's question. What you are suggesting would simply not work. I wish it would! Rest assured that we are doing all we can to encourage other parties to invest in SWFC. If we can achieve that then it follows that there would be resulting changes in the composition of the Board. Alternatively we can go in all guns blazing and have groundhog day back to the Allen regime where there was no communication and an entrenched SWFC Board. Back then we were left with no choice, now there are different ways to skin the cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 How depressing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grantholtsdiscopants Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I would refer you to my above answer to Donny's question. What you are suggesting would simply not work. I wish it would! Rest assured that we are doing all we can to encourage other parties to invest in SWFC. If we can achieve that then it follows that there would be resulting changes in the composition of the Board. Alternatively we can go in all guns blazing and have groundhog day back to the Allen regime where there was no communication and an entrenched SWFC Board. Back then we were left with no choice, now there are different ways to skin the cat. Isnt the board already entrenched? an hour and half every now and again isnt open communication as far as im concerned. Anyway, im not in a position to influence things like you, so i, and many others can only let you get on with it, but i cant help thinking that ive been fobbed off with a bog standard answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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