FTAO LEE STRAFFORD

[Aingarth]

Some of you are on a different planet. The atmosphere at Hillsborough is dire because the team is dire and the football is also dire. The band do a lot to help and I really don't understand why they get the criticism. They are FAR BETTER THAN almost silence and I salute them.

The real problem is that we have an average squad which is under-performing, playing awful long ball long head tennis rubbish. Some think that 'ugly rough football' is the way to stay up. So we played this on Monday, gave the ball away all the time and lost. Sorry AI, it is not working.

Unless we start playing football rather than total crap we are lost.

And forget investment - if the guys Lee is talking to are thinking with either heads or hearts they would have put some money in to rescue us before now.

Lee - it's on your watch, you won't solve it by pretending to be mates with our Parson's Cross supporters.

[Rogers]

Funny reading this. Don't know how many of you saw the thread I posted the other day, but general opinion of the fans I surveyed up and down the country rank Hillsborough and our fans as being amongst the quietest and least intimidating in England.

Probably because the last 10 years has sucked the life out of the place. Apart from the few occasions, like the Brentford play off match. The place was rocking

[the monk]

Some of you are on a different planet. The atmosphere at Hillsborough is dire because the team is dire and the football is also dire. The band do a lot to help and I really don't understand why they get the criticism. They are FAR BETTER THAN almost silence and I salute them.

The real problem is that we have an average squad which is under-performing, playing awful long ball long head tennis rubbish. Some think that 'ugly rough football' is the way to stay up. So we played this on Monday, gave the ball away all the time and lost. Sorry AI, it is not working.

Unless we start playing football rather than total crap we are lost.

And forget investment - if the guys Lee is talking to are thinking with either heads or hearts they would have put some money in to rescue us before now.

Lee - it's on your watch, you won't solve it by pretending to be mates with our Parson's Cross supporters.

What a great point mate.......or is that just bo**cks?

[DJMortimer]

Some of you are on a different planet. The atmosphere at Hillsborough is dire because the team is dire and the football is also dire.

I think that contributes to a significant degree, but those who remember the seats going onto the terraces will recall that the process started then and did not relate to the style or success of the team. And fans all around the country have said much the same thing about their stadiums too.

[talon]

In any organisation, be it sporting, business or charitable, there HAS to be 'the buck stops here' accountability taken by those at the head of the organisation for the overall macro-performance.

There is simply no such thing as hiring an employee without taking overall responsibility for the employees subsequent performance.

If we do go down this season(God forbid), then the Chairman HAS to be held to be ultimately responsible for the failure.

[Guest Distraught!]

In any organisation, be it sporting, business or charitable, there HAS to be 'the buck stops here' accountability taken by those at the head of the organisation for the overall macro-performance.

There is simply no such thing as hiring an employee without taking overall responsibility for the employees subsequent performance.

If we do go down this season(God forbid), then the Chairman HAS to be held to be ultimately responsible for the failure.

Yet it is interesting that the man often regarded as football's fairest Chairman, Steve Gibson, got that reputation through sticking by Nobson et al. despite several relegations.

[talon]

Yet it is interesting that the man often regarded as football's fairest Chairman, Steve Gibson, got that reputation through sticking by Nobson et al. despite several relegations.

Did Gibson ever stick his hand in his pocket?

And are you suggesting that LS shouldn't have sacked BL?

[Hack-Abusi]

Darren "THE ROCK OF GIBRALTOR" Purse

i like it

[Freshfish]

We have a board that still has a majority of people on it who have presided over this club for the last 10 years who are responsible for successive managerial and financial failures. Before the current Chairman steps one foot out of the door those people need to accept responsibility, accept liability and instead of acting on self interest and not in the best interests fo the club, be honourable enough to leave and offer shares at a price commensurate with level of debt they created.

Will that happen? No.

Before another scapegoat is found, let's get rid of the real rotten core at the club.

[Glaser]

We have a board that still has a majority of people on it who have presided over this club for the last 10 years who are responsible for successive managerial and financial failures. Before the current Chairman steps one foot out of the door those people need to accept responsibility, accept liability and instead of acting on self interest and not in the best interests fo the club, be honourable enough to leave and offer shares at a price commensurate with level of debt they created.

Will that happen? No.

Before another scapegoat is found, let's get rid of the real rotten core at the club.

still perfecting my "home brew" mate !!

[Guest totemowl]

In any organisation, be it sporting, business or charitable, there HAS to be 'the buck stops here' accountability taken by those at the head of the organisation for the overall macro-performance.

There is simply no such thing as hiring an employee without taking overall responsibility for the employees subsequent performance.

If we do go down this season(God forbid), then the Chairman HAS to be held to be ultimately responsible for the failure.

Not that simple is it. He's only be in charge for the last 16 months, not 16 years.

[MSOwl]

In any organisation, be it sporting, business or charitable, there HAS to be 'the buck stops here' accountability taken by those at the head of the organisation for the overall macro-performance.

There is simply no such thing as hiring an employee without taking overall responsibility for the employees subsequent performance.

If we do go down this season(God forbid), then the Chairman HAS to be held to be ultimately responsible for the failure.

Spot on..............

[DJMortimer]

In any organisation, be it sporting, business or charitable, there HAS to be 'the buck stops here' accountability taken by those at the head of the organisation for the overall macro-performance.

There is simply no such thing as hiring an employee without taking overall responsibility for the employees subsequent performance.

If we do go down this season(God forbid), then the Chairman HAS to be held to be ultimately responsible for the failure.

OK... then what?

Strafford to resign, leaving us with Statler and Waldorf snoozing through board meetings oblivious to what's going on around them (unless there are legal papers that need a hasty signature)?

We didn't hear a peep from you in any of the previous years of mediocrity, abject misery or even utter disgrace (in fact you were blithely tolerant of much of it as I recall), so why the sudden demands for heads to roll when there are at least some signs of progress, albeit modest ones?

[Glaser]

Strafford to resign, leaving us with Statler and Waldorf snoozing through board meetings oblivious to what's going on around them (unless there are legal papers that need a hasty signature)?

[MAL]

In any organisation, be it sporting, business or charitable, there HAS to be 'the buck stops here' accountability taken by those at the head of the organisation for the overall macro-performance.

There is simply no such thing as hiring an employee without taking overall responsibility for the employees subsequent performance.

If we do go down this season(God forbid), then the Chairman HAS to be held to be ultimately responsible for the failure.

Let us say you started your own business a year ago.

You have employed 22 people to do your 100 pieces of work.

The 22 employees must work 8 hours a day to do the 100 pieces of work.

But they only work 4 hours and a total of 50 pieces of work gets done.

Is that your fault?

[Wednesday-Wonderland]

Let us say you started your own business a year ago.

You have employed 22 people to do your 100 pieces of work.

The 22 employees must work 8 hours a day to do the 100 pieces of work.

But they only work 4 hours and a total of 50 pieces of work gets done.

Is that your fault?

I agree with what you're trying to say, none of this is LS's fault. But that's a poor analogy because you could say that it's the owner's fault for not employing the right type of people, or for not sufficiently motivating them.

[Glaser]

I agree with what you're trying to say, none of this is LS's fault. But that's a poor analogy because you could say that it's the owner's fault for not employing the right type of people, or for not sufficiently motivating them.

or for not intervening quickly enough when it looked like those 100 pieces of work weren't going to get done

[Wednesday-Wonderland]

or for not intervening quickly enough when it looked like those 100 pieces of work weren't going to get done

Yes, with hindsight BL was sacked too late. But sacking him earlier would've caused a backlash for not giving him enough time, "he could've turned it around" etc, and it would mark LS down as a knee-jerk chairman.

[DJMortimer]

I think he should have dropped Potter for a start, if we'd made some better signings Tudgay might have been on the bench and not missed that chance on Monday, it was Strafford's goalkeeper that dropped a clanger to cost us points at Coventry, how can our reserves lose to Macclesfield twice and someone simply MUST be blamed for Johnson's injury problems in the last few weeks.

Oh... and the last pie I bought was slightly overcooked as well.

[Glaser]

Yes, with hindsight BL was sacked too late. But sacking him earlier would've caused a backlash for not giving him enough time, "he could've turned it around" etc, and it would mark LS down as a knee-jerk chairman.

but a knee jerk chairman who was in control of a championship football club ......