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  1. Sorry to hear you ill. Get well soon. (John G)

  2. People often say that no-one is irreplaceable. This certainly does not apply to Steve Adams, it will be impossible to replace this great guy who got on well with everyone he met, and always worked his socks off with cheerfulness and massive enthusiasm. He was always happy to stop and chat about all things Wednesday. I am sure that his friends, all Wednesday fans who met him, the schools he visited, Wednesdayite who helped to fund his Tricky Wingers activities, will all remember him with fondness. My sincere condolences to his family. I will miss him and his “See You on the Far Post” farewell. John
  3. To be fair James, the "irrational critics or abusers" (your words not mine) tend to be in here whenever anything is done by Wednesdayite. Perhaps a more "rational" place could be found. ;)
  4. Please let it rest James. I do not want to get involved in any more arguments between individuals. I think I have had my fair share these over the past few years. Just relax and start the New Year without this stuff. That's what I hope to do.
  5. Thanks for that Kevin. Let us hope that everyone feels the same. I accept the point about publicity and communication but as you can see from this thread, there are many pitfalls. John
  6. Theold rules as you might recall from your time on the Wednesdayite Board, said more than what you have quoted. They actually allow for funds to be transfered to a similar organisation with similar aims and requirements. When the problem started to be addressed, it was immediately thought that transferring the funds to a different unconnected organisation would be the best course of action and it was this which was being investigated. At all times, after the embarassment of the earlier failure, we were trying our best to deal with the issue in the best possible way for everyone who had any of interest or involvement. Advice - both helpful and otherwise i was being thrown from many directions. Lots was happening all at the same time and it wasn't easy to deal with. I think we can all agree that the careful process wyich was followed has been successful. It seems that all but a couple of people are satisfied and have ended the arguments. I am no longer involved, except in a very minor way, but I am happy now that Wednesdayite are in a position where the very few remaining officers are able to deliver the core activities until thee car park lease is ended. The purchase and distribution of the hats was a very successful activity - the shots on the TV broadcast and the photos and comments which have appeared back up this view. The plans for a new big flag are also exciting. As I keep saying to those I speak to, what any fans group is able to do is totally dependent on volunteers to do the necessary work. As we have seen on here over the past couple of years, good ideas are not enough. Volunteers to carry out the work and support from the fans are essential. Off now to start the New Year. John
  7. For the same of clarity, and in the hope that this personal abuse rubbish can stop, the remaining members of the Wednesdayite Board did not attempt to transfer the 'old funds' to the new entity. The legacy funds were 'ringfenced' until a proper pathway could be found to deal with them properly. Despite comments on here, the funds were never 'lost' and the intention was always to use them as required by the 'rules'. The new entity, as reported to the members and with their approval, was set up to carry on the core activities plus any others which could be delivered by the remaining few volunteers. The hats, the possible new flag and other donations and supportive activities are being funded from the resources generated by the hard work of the very few volunteers. Perhaps with a little more thought, the suggestion about extra spending on hats for home matches, could have been accompanied by suggestions of how the extra funds could be raised - as well as offers to carry out any necessary work. With just a few hours left of 2015, surely it is time that the repetitive personal attacks are ended, at least here. If you can't stop, please take the bickering somewhere else. Best wishes to all of you and good luck. John
  8. I am sure that the few people who work hard on match days in the Wednesdayite car park will be pleased with the first two posts in this thread back on page 1. It is the car park volunteers efforts which have raised the funds to purchase the hats whilst providing a much appreciated service. Sadly, the third post started off nicely but was spoiled by the second paragraph. As often happened previously and predictably, the thread has quickly gone from positivity to become a source of unnecessary argument and personal conflict. That is why most of those who were trying to sort things have stopped posting here. Life is too short for this kind of conflict and so we have moved on. Thankfully I have 'retired' and so felt able post this time. No more though! I will now get my coat - and hat. Ps just in case anyone is wondering, I have had my own Santa hat for years ;) Pps Happy New Year to all Owls fans everywhere.
  9. Attendances? - Probably much higher than the number of grumblers on here.
  10. My early impression of this thread was that Neil was using it to create an "Owlstalk Discussion" as he has done so many times previously, a view which was reinforced by the appearance of the "Piegate Scandal" title. Peter, in his attempts to support the Academy, has set up a couple of Hirsty's Bar events and has received support and encouragement from staff at SWFC. As I understand it, he was originally quoted a price for the event which was thought, at the time, likely to put people off. A decision was made to leave out the food option this time and get the events under way as soon as possible in the hope that the attendance would be as high as it has been in the past. The event was advertised on the Wednesdayite web site and in the Match day programme and an email was sent out to previous attendees. A message was also posted on here. If that had not been done, there may have been some comment (from Neil perhaps) that it could have been done much better by Owlstalk. Anyway - it seems simple to me. If people are happy to pay the reduced ticket price and attend, they will do so and whilst enjoying the evening, will be contributing to the SWFC Academy and Community funds. If they don't wish to attend because they will not be getting the pie and peas ( or for any other reason) they won't buy a ticket. It is entirely up to each person to make the choice. It is a pity that the section about the alternative fans group has been removed. Comparing this thread with what was being posted in that section would give plenty of food (not pie of course) for thought and might help to explain why people walked away from that. After all these years, I am still amazed that such arguments are provoked by the efforts of a few people to provide a service for fellow fans whether political, non-political (and I still have problems working out what the differences were) or even fun, in close collaboration with the club. At the end of the day attendance at events, use of services, membership etc are not compulsory. James, with respect, Peter has a point. As other people have found, when discussion turns into circular argument or becomes irrational or even abusive, it ceases to be discussion. "So... Wednesdayite have Hirsty's Bar taken off them The club decide to do it They scrap the pie and peas The excuse is they want to 'concentrate on getting interesting guests' instead What a crock of total bullshit" Posts like that are not "reasonable debate". Sadly they give justification for walking away. It isn't necessarily "retreating into the bunkers" as you describe it. It could be just be getting back to the real work of sorting out the things which need attention, something which people rightly point out and which are properly taken notice of. John
  11. No glossing over going on! Issues are being looked at and will be reported on when there is something to report. There is nothing wrong with people asking questions and these are being noted, but sometimes patience is needed while issues are being progressed.
  12. Reesh There isn't a silence. Current members of Wednesdayite, many of whom have been members for several years, have been informed of the situation and of suggestions for the future. Members were given an opportunity to ask questions and vote on proposals either at the members' meeting held after the Forest match or by using an online ballot. As is proper, a report of this meeting will shortly be on its way to members. I hope that this report will be published on the Wednesdayite web site in due course. We have not sought to deny any errors, nor have we blamed others for mistakes which may have been made. Accounts were always properly prepared and audited; presented at AGMs and approved by membership vote for the whole of the period up to July 2011, when Darryl, myself and Charlie were at the helm. John
  13. An official and complete report of the meeting will be posted on the Wednesdayite web site as soon as possible. As far as the car park is concerned, preparation of the site before each match along with more efficient and effective ticketing, accounting and analysis have led to several improvements. Paul's "post match analysis" has led to tweaking of the procedures and has also indicated an increase in the number of non-members (and visiting fans) using the car park. During the close season, a huge amount of work - mainly by Paul and Jeff - has created more useable space on the site and more parking bays have been marked out. This has increased the capacity. Even so, the cash payment side of the car park has been full several times already this season. Most members who use the car park have purchased season permits to reduce their costs and to ensure a parking space.
  14. Oh and despite what the blue spectacled person might have suggested (sorry I lost track of most of it) we are not interfering in any way with this new group.
  15. The arguments on here were, especially lately, primarily personal disputes and were not related to the work which Wednesdayite was doing to ensure that the core activities could continue. These include getting the car park ready, sorting out the Lounge arrangements, setting up the Away Travel for the season, making arrangements for distributing Smile tickets and of course the Primary Schools coaching scheme - as well as planning what could be done in the coming season to support the SWFC Academy, Community Programme and SW Ladies. These have all being going on for many years now and we were determined that they should continue despite the recent troubles, so a decision was taken to concentrate on that work and not get embroiled in the ever expanding personal disputes on here. The new season's membership is now rolling out with the delivery of membership packs and car park permits (including concession permits for disabled members). Recently we supported the Owls in the Park day by making the car park available free, after spending a lot of time time cleaning it up and remarking it. The car park was ready and made available for home and visiting fans for the friendly match this week. It will be all systems go when the League season starts and a members meeting is taking place shortly. It has been a busy time for the few people left on the Board but the work has continued - behind the scenes and out of the limelight - as has probably been the case too often over the years! Hope that helps. John
  16. Hi Ibbo The 2014-15 car park permits were sent out separately from the membership packs. Email enquiries@wednesdayite.com say what you applied for and what you have received. Thanks John
  17. Are you paying the royalties this time Simon?
  18. You are absolutely right about the debate MK. The personal attacks - both ways - were not right. Let us hope that they are kept out of any future debate as they simply cloud and confuse the real issues.
  19. All those remaining on the Wednesdayite Board and the new (well one old) faces who have stepped up to the plate, are working hard together to make sure that Wednesdayite continues to do what it has been doing very successfully for several years. There is of course always room (and a welcome) for anyone else who wishes to help out. As for the unfortunate inter-personal upset which was conducted on here recently - please let it rest. Stop stirring, it is pointless and so unnecessary.
  20. Grandad's got a bad back and enjoyed the match in an Exec box. I've got a bad back but sat in my usual seat in the North. If only I had a cushion........ What I saw on the pitch was just like those heady days of 1974. I could have put the cushion to good use.
  21. Let's be honest. Gone are the days when someone like Jack Walker could pour money into his home town club for the passion and glory. That is now beyond the reach of anyone likely to have any affinity with the Owls. Anyone investing in anything these days whether from China or elsewhere, will be looking to generate a return of one kind or another and these days they will probably be looking much more short term than in the past. There are several examples of what happens when investors move in to football clubs looking for a financial benefit. Rather than looking at Chelsea, which is a very special case for several reasons, look at Man U and Liverpool and then look at Birmingham and Blackburn and then look at Portsmouth and Coventry to see the range of possible methods and outcomes. MM keeps referring to 'our club' and says he is looking after it and will make sure that it is in good hands when he moves it on. I really do hope so! But I can't help being nervous when I look at what has happened elsewhere.
  22. First match in 1953 on the kop. Sat in the uncovered seats in the South Stand behind the home dug out from 1973 where we endured the almost goal-less 1974/5 season. The 'dialogue' between the fans and the dug out and Director's Box during this period was much more entertaining than what was happening on the pitch. Thinking that things could only get better following the arrival of Jack Charlton, I bought our North Stand season tickets in 1979. I've been there in the same seats* ever since, first with my dad, then with my son and daughter, now with my grandson. From the depths of 1975 to the delights of 1990 to 1995 and the spectacular days at Cardiff in 2005 and at Hillsborough at the end of the 2011/12 season, the football has been emotional. At times, in the last few years, it's been a bit interesting off the pitch too! And as S&T Owl says, we still have a club to support and in its own stadium. Let's make sure that continues. (* Not strictly true - the actual seats have been replaced a couple of times!)
  23. Anyone hit on the head by a carelessly swung rattle would certainly add a bit to the atmosphere.
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