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WalworthOwl

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  1. I took out a Star supporters subscription, to see it without ads, because the football coverage is worth reading. Thanks!
  2. How do you square that with the losses made by most EFL clubs that have to be picked up by the owners?
  3. Reda was in the Wednesday end at Portsmouth last month.
  4. This is much less likely than promotion to the premiership, looking at the number of clubs which achieve it. I watch games mostly in and around London (was gutted that Boxing Day cancelled), seen us win at Wembley and all the big London grounds except for Arsenal, so on my list is definitely a win at Arsenal. On watching a team of committed players playing for the shirt, surely anyone at Portsmouth could tick that one off.
  5. I posted this earlier on this thread, but it still seems relevant. We moan about the way football is going, ticket prices, and the monied awfulness of the Premier League, but... Average attendances of the top four divisions in England in 2019/20: 39,349 18,585 8,753 4,664 (average attendance not including covid-closed games) Average attendances of the top four divisions in England in 1991/92: 21,662 10,525 5,442 3,404 (Last year before PL)
  6. I don't get this criticism. In 2014 Wednesday were bankrupt and only saved because the Co-op wrote off some debt. Like nearly every other Football League club we've made losses since as well. We need an owner who puts money in. He tried for promotion, narrowly missed, and paid the price. Of course it would be better to have an incredibly insightful owner who's every player signing is brilliant, but we were lucky to avoid Mammadov.
  7. Good point. Most often clubs with high wage budgets finish above those paying less, but not always. But it would be a big risk to get rid of the current squad and replace them with cheaper, however good your scouting network or data analytics were.
  8. I agree that a wealth tax would be fairer than what we have now. But unfortunately it's harder to measure people's wealth than people's income, the tax man would have to become more intrusive, and there would be even more opportunities for clever accountants to minimise tax. If you can start working out how to assess and tax wealth you should write up a proposal and send it to all the political parties.
  9. I got to a football game at least, and the players and officials did their best to imitate a League One match by making loads of mistakes.
  10. That's true, but there's a difference between films and sport. What a film makes at the box office is not massively affected by how well the other films do that year; but the placing of a football club relative to its rivals can makes a huge difference to revenue. Winning the premiership, qualifying for Europe, getting promoted are all highly lucrative, so it's not surprising that many owners pay in extra in the hope of a better outcome - but there aren't enough titles, promotion spots and European places to reward them all. I'm not even sure it would be possible to be a sustainable mid-level championship club. So many owners are throwing in money in the hope of promotion that a club that breaks even will be at a big disadvantage. Unless, of course, it's an early adopter of a new idea that turns out to work, like Brentford with their data analytics. It's hard to see a salary cap being agreed, for reasons discussed above, so clubs will continue to be reliant on owners who can and will accept a loss most seasons.
  11. The downloaded version has a limited life for fraud prevention, because someone could sent it to a mate. You can download another at any time, before the first one has run out it you like. (Obviously it's not a 100% effective fraud prevention measure, but they think it all helps which is fair enough.) At Ipswich I was asked for my Covid passport, and I didn't have a phone signal. They pointed me to a test centre not far from the ground. But I did get a phone signal before I got there. Makes sense to me that people should show their passport.
  12. Simple question but really complicated answer. Lawyers would certainly try to overturn it. That is one reason why governing bodies only talk about caps per team, not a maximum wage. The governing bodies would argue that salary caps are a way to ensure sustainability and maintain good incomes for all the players, the players would argue that their wages were being unfairly held down and should be set by the market like everyone else's.
  13. Agree that all those things are big positives, but there are potential negatives too. The sense of community and history is a massive part of following football. I live in London and I've watched more Premiership games than Wednesday games so far this year, but going to Portsmouth was the best experience because of that great crowd and the attitude of the players. So far I think the huge money that's gone into football hasn't broken the link between clubs and places, but that possibility is worrying. As is the possibility of more bankrupt clubs, and also the finances of taking kids to games.
  14. I wouldn't say I've tried to defend the way football has gone. I've just pointed out, along with others, that football clubs are run in the same way as any other business. (Of course football clubs aren't like any other business, that's why this is an important discussion, but the law and the motivation of owners is similar for any business.) I certainly think the German model is interesting, and I'm sorry that fan-owned clubs haven't done better. OK maybe I did defend the way football has gone a bit; I pointed out that average attendances, in all English divisions, are now much bigger than they were before the Premier League. Anybody who wants a change like salary caps introduced has to explain why "the grotesque way football has gone" seems to have made it more popular. Average attendances of the top four divisions in England in 2019/20: 39,349 18,585 8,753 4,664 (average attendance not including covid-closed games) Average attendances of the top four divisions in England in 1991/92: 21,662 10,525 5,442 3,404 (Last year before PL)
  15. It is a bit rubbish, but it's the same for (almost) all clubs. And what's the alternative for Chansiri? Letting go the current players and signing a new team who accept less than half the wages would improve the accounts for a year, but I don't think it would be good for the league position...
  16. It is a good question. Football clubs like any other company have to trade solvently. The latest Wednesday accounts include this statement from the auditors (such statements are present in most club accounts): "Material uncertainty related to going concern We draw attention to note 1.3 in the financial statements, which indicates that additional funding will be required to enable the company to continue in operational existence. The owner has confirmed that sufficient financial support will be made available to enable the company to meet its obligations as they fall due for a period of not less than 12 months from the date of approval of the financial statements. As stated in note 1.3, the director acknowledges that this support is not legally binding, and these conditions, along with other matters as set forth in note 1.3, indicate that a material uncertainty exists that may cast significant doubt on the company's ability to continue as a going concern. In addition we draw attention to the matters set out in note 26 in relation to the Covid-19 pandemic including the fact that football matches, after resumption, continue to be played behind closed doors and the uncertainties in timescale arising from the pandemic. Our opinion is not modified in respect of these matters"
  17. Salary caps are legally possible, lawyers would find some loopholes but they'd still make a difference and probably end the era of super-rich owners in England. We should be aware of the knock-on effects though. Obviously any Wednesdayite would love to go back to a football experience of just before the premier league, but we'd probably be in a minority, and there's no guarantee we'd find another Hirst and Waddle if a salary cap came in. In 91/2 we finished third in the last Division One, but our average crowd was 29,583 which is much less than any third place team gets now. Would the FA, PL and PFA want to go back to those days?
  18. The law of supply and demand is called a “law” for a reason. It's hard to get around it. Why should there be salary caps for footballers any more than for lawyers or bankers? Well there is a reason, it's because football clubs are a community asset, being part of a history and part of a crowd are a lot of the enjoyment in following a club and it would be horrible to lose this. So there is a big argument for government to step in and protect this, similar but bigger than listing pubs as community assets. Football today is more skilful and better to watch, a better day out (except for those wanting a retro experience) than it used to be, and I'm sorry to say it but I think the increase in money has gone with driving up standards. Italian and Spanish clubs used to sign the best players and win most of the European trophies, now it's mostly English clubs. So the government would need to be really careful about how it steps in. Do the majority of fans really want to go back to a 1960s/70s experience? Average crowds were smaller in those days in spite of lower ticket prices, which suggests not.
  19. I too think this is a good example of Moore managing well, making a decision which seemed daft but worked. I think it happened soon after the 2-2 at Wimbledon, where their equaliser was scored by a forward marked by Jaden Brown at the back post. During his career Brown has been more of a defender and Johnson has been more of an attacker, but I suspect that was when Moore realised that actually Marvin Johnson is a stronger defender. I think Johnson will be hard to shift from that position now, he's been excellent.
  20. That's true, but I think it's confusing cause and effect to blame Bannan for this. He drops into the back three when we're under pressure and we can't get the ball up the field any other way. He drops deep because the oppos are on top, the oppos are not on top because he drops deep.
  21. You're being sarcastic, but I don't see why. The number of clubs going bankrupt has been massively reduced under FFP/P&S, although the money and the ownership has been getting crazier every year. There might be a lot wrong with football, but I don't think FFP/P&S is part of it.
  22. These figures show that in 2019, the last season before Covid, the average loss per club was £25m, and last season it was £29m. That is horrific. If the clubs were fan-owned with 25,000 supporters each, the loss would be £1,000 per fan. The logical strategy for any Championship owner is to gamble with as much money as they can put in, because the riches of the Premiership are immense. If it wasn't for the Financial Fair Play rules surely some clubs would have gone bust. Probably Wolves in their promotion season made the biggest loss of all - but their owner won his gamble and will have been really happy about it. The figures mean every Championship team needs someone with hundreds of millions to spare who knows business, knows football and loves the club, and ideally they know the city and watched the team as a lad too. It's a good article in the Daily Mail linked above.
  23. Nottingham Forest won the Anglo-Scottish cup in 1977. Two years later they won the European Cup. Winning is a good habit.
  24. On Sunday we had a few promising positions with Corbeanu and Palmer running at their defenders, with men ahead of them. I think this was Moore's instruction, he thought Plymouth defend crosses well so we should run at their box. Unfortunately most of those promising positions broke down and they got good counterattacks.
  25. Unfortunately this manager will have his current team top of whatever league they're in, so he won't want to join us. Seriously, if you attack without enough skill and guile I think you get picked off, unless the gulf in fitness is incredible.
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