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  1. This is brilliant Rolfey. I must have been living under a stone for the past two years not to have come across this before! Tommy was my Gt Grandfather. Are the prints still available? As you know, we're closing in on the 120th anniversary of the first match at Hillsborough next month on 2nd September when Tommy and his team mates made a wining start to life at Owlerton in 1899. I hope it's a good omen for this season. I haven't seen anything planned at SWFC to mark this historic date, but coincidentally, as a family, we've got something to celebrate the day after on Sept 3rd this year when my actress daughter Jane Crawshaw, whom we named after Tommy's wife, will be making her Television debut in the guest lead role in an episode of Holby Citye. Not one to miss if you're into historic connections with the Owls. If only it made been smack on the date itself! Great work Rolfey; all the best. Tom Crawshaw
  2. Where I lived on Gresley Road was no more than 50 yds away from the entrance gate to Greenhill park at the gold course end - and the football pitch was right there behind it. I was always on there having a kickabout with the lads , so it's more than possible our paths have crossed. I also used to play on the Youth club 5-a-side pitch (more like 7 or 8 a side) on Gresley as well, at night under the floodlights. I played for Grennel Mower team on Saturday in the Wragg league (that's for seniors now I think) on Mather Road. There were some good players in that Lowedges side including Fred Booker and brothers Dave and Pat O'Brian ex Sheffield Boys team. I also played for a Shiregreen pub team 'The Penguin' on Sunday at Concord Park and Park Gardeners Working Men's Club from Park district at a pitch near Herries Road - and the odd game for Chesterfield Miner's Welfare. So if you've played for or against any of that lot 1972-1976, our paths will prob have crossed. I ruptured my ACL (anterior cruciate ligament) in my knee playing for Grennel Mower against Colley WMC at Colley 1976 through somebody tackling me from behind - the ******* - and could never play again.
  3. Haha brill clip FreshOwl. Love it!!
  4. Sorry for my dodgy keyboard which sometimes doubles and triples up on some characters. I didn't mean 'shake' to come out as 'shaaake' in my prev post. I found the picture of Tommy at the 50th Hillsborough anniversary game in 1949 mentioned in my post which I've attached. You can see his two FA Cup winners medals on his watch chain and his obvious reliance on crutches through latent effect of injuries as a player. He used to say that he 'tormented' his forwards by telling them to have more cracks at goal. He'd be saying that now if still alive and telling them to get stuck in and reach them playoffs!
  5. Yes that's my name too. There were four generations of us Tom Crawshaws alive at one time in our family: Tommy the footballer, his son, my Grandad, his son in turn - my Dad, and me. I was 9 yrs old when Tommy died in 1960. By coincidence my Mom, Dad and me ended up living on the same Council Estate as my Gt. Grandad towards the end of his life, on Lowedges, after he retired from being landlord of The Yorkshireman in town. We used to joke that we were all called Tom due to a distinct lack of imagination when naming sons in our family- as in... 'what is it - a boy?' 'Yes, I'm thinking of calling him Tom after his Dad, what do you think?' - 'Yep that'll do, get on with it.'. Of course the truth is we were all so proud of Tommy, that his name was bound to thought of when sons came along. I don't know if you were at 'The Olive Grove Years' evening, at Hillsborough November 2017, as part of the 150th anniversary, but I gave a talk about Tommy at that event, which was really well attended. I was amazed at how many people knew so much about him. A lot of people were moved by the last slide I showed of him aged 76, at Hillsborough, in 1949, at the 50th anniversary of Wednesday moving to the ground from Olive Grove.. I said that he had two things in his possession that day that he was very proud of, his two FACup winnders medalss on his watch chain, and also two things he wouldn't wish on anybody his pair of crutches - a legacy of his commitment to Wednesday, playing on in game after game whilst injured. That's commitment for you and why so many people wanted to shaaake my hand afterwards .
  6. Great comprehensive list is that. My Gt Grandad Tommy played for the Owls in 2-6 in your list. I forgot about the 2nd Div. Championship 1899-1900; a real achievement that, in their 1st season at Hillsborough to go straight back up after being relegated in their last season at Olive Grove. We need that spirit now in the side and I've got a feeling the lads are are starting to wake up to the idea that it's possible.
  7. Phew! Brilliant stuff - and sounds like the story of our lives being Wednesday supporters, especially the stuff about sacrifice, hardship, death and rebirth!! All I meant though was that the calendar repeats itself exactly every 28 yrs, and that this has happened (or multiples of it) whenever we've won a Cup Competition, 1907, 1935, then 2 x 28 to 1991, followed by perlease... 2019, for the Play-off Cup, or we've blown another 28 yrs!
  8. Neon Nick seems to have twigged this, but has anyone else? Wednesday won the FA Cup in 1907 and 1935 and the League Cup in 1991. The gaps between these years is a multiple of 28. If you add 28 years on to 1991, it brings us to 2019. Just a coincidence probably, I know, but the intriguing thing is this... the calendar repeats itself exactly every 28 years. The first of the above dates means a lot to us in our family because my Gt Grandad Tommy led Wednesday to beat Everton in the 1907 Cup Final and when he did so on the 3rd Saturday in April of that year, at Crystal Palace, it turned out to be the 20th April as it is this year, as it was in 1935 and again in 1991. It's probably just a load of old statistical cobblers', not to say depressing, to think that we only win stuff every 28 years, or multiples of 28 yrs, but I thought I'd raise it here as a matter of interest. Will we win the play-off Cup this year to add to the other Cups we've won when the calendar exactly repeated itself? We've got a mountain to climb just to be in it, let alone win it, but lets hope we can put a run together to nick it.
  9. Does the period of 28 years mean anything to anybody?? Clue.... something to do with stats but not about football per se - but about the calendar.... 1907, 1935, 1991, 2019. There's a problem with 1963. Dunno what happened there and why, but there's something more to the fact that we've won something significant in gaps of 28 years - and it's to do with the calendar - what is it?
  10. Just a thought - either by accident or luck - or whatever - the new CEO is Flemish and the new manager is from the Netherlands, so they both speak Dutch as their 1st language. Could be a good omen - and good for DC that he didn't let things drag on before appointing people. Really hope it all works out.
  11. I'm just wondering what DC had in mind when he considered Katrien Miere for the job of CEO. An ability to rile supporters to distraction in her last job at Charlton and quotes in reports like this in the Evening Standard of her role in the club, including her involvement in deciding to sack Chris Powell, Manager of the club at the time: "He is a great hero. But people need to understand, the owner and I need to be able to work with the manager. It is the most important relationship at the club." It's not the decision to sack Powell that worries me, nor the way they went about it, but the fact that, as the article reveals, she's sees her role as one in which she influences the Chairman on decisions about the Manager's future and on the acquisition of players. She cites that her collaboration with Charlton chairman Dutchalet "makes my job easier getting players". There was no mention of the Manager's involvement in that particular process. I find it worrying that she has been appointed at the club at this time when we need to be concentrating on bringing in a new head coach. Too many variables too soon. Considering her previous form with Charlton, her role will surely be a concern for any prospective bidders for the job of Coach. Am I worrying too much? Will it all work out ok in the end? A newish Chairman, a controversial CEO and a prospective Coach in Jos Lukuhay who hasn't been gainfully employed in football since 2016. They are new to each other and they have to hit the ground running together effectively as a background team and gain the confidence of the players to get things moving in the right direction on the pitch. I truly hope this turns out to be one of those ...well who'd a thought it! success stories!
  12. You listen to the way Lee B spells it out in the after-match interview against Forest and you think - there's a bloke who talks straight - could inspire a dressing room, put the fear of God up 'em, or whatever's needed, to suit. He doesn't go all round Cleethorpes to get to Attercliffe to make a point and he got the lads well up for it. For me, SMc is a highly qualified coach but he's like a staff officer in the army. Good at writing tactics, but overthinks things going into battle. When that happens It puts leg irons on your players in the way they play and think. They didn't wear any against Forest and went for the jugular and that was all down to LB. If you're brave enough, fortune will favour you in the end. That'll do for me any day. I doubt it will for DC though, but please to God don't let it be McClaren. A role like DoF, is ok, but nowhere near the front line. He's good value putting on the anguish when his teams eventually fall apart. He's even entertaining when he does that, but it gets to the players in the end. All his past dramas with clubs have ended like that. We could do without it. No theatre of any kind like that please, unless it's rock and roll football like they played last time out, under a coach who's brave; goes for it and instils passion for the shirt in his players. Go on DC, give LB a bit longer!
  13. Well pointed out Jamsandwich. We need to talk to Dejphon, as he's inviting us to do, and we need to talk to each other - not just throw comments at him or each other. Keeping open-ended discussion on the level is difficult, whereas comments have a tendency to be wrapped in finality or barbed wire - or both - and although they're easier to unload, they get us nowhere in the end. My own family is strongly linked to Wednesday from the earliest days at Hillsborough and beyond that at Olive Grove, We're immensely proud of that distinction, but even so, we haven't been immune to the effects of a lack of communication, between player and club, leading to something or other that has rankled for long enough. All could have been avoided by clear communication and understanding in the first place though. These ranklings, as I call them, are a bit of a cross between Chinese whispers and heirlooms. They can be passed on and miscued from person to person - and even (as in our case) passed down from generation to generation! In that regard, on a personal level, I'm not going to ignore history and be damned to repeat it. Words and meanings are powerful things. They need to be used with care and read with care without leaping to conclusions - especially the wrong ones. In that respect, yes Dephron's statement was long and a bit rambling, but what he's saying shouldn't be miscued into something else. If you want to cut to the chase about what the guy means - read Jamsandwiches earlier post. He's fed the statement into a programme that brings out the essentials of what's been said in an impartial way. It's a pity this wasn't done before it was released, but we are where we are. It's where we move to next, to take us all forward, that's most important. I hope it can be done on the level and in good spirit that we Wednesdayites are renowned for. .
  14. Wow Kivo, thanks for that - about my Gt Grandad and also about me. It was a privilege to be in the company we were in, believe me, and to pass on what we know about Tommy in our family. We know that in addition to achieving such a lot in his career, he paid the ultimate price for his dedication to Wednesday. By that I mean he chose to play on through injuries, not in just the 71 consecutive games he played for the Owls towards the end of his career, but at other times too. He wasn't alone in doing this, by any means, in an age before the advent of substitutes. As a result, as my final slide showed, he was on crutches from his 70s onwards and more or less incapacitated during his 80s. He ultimately died from gangrene, in one of his legs; a latent result of injuries, when he was 87, in Wharncliffe Hospital. I doubt that he would have done things differently though, given the chance. His two great loves in life were his family and playing for Wednesday and his pet hate was missing games. By the way, Clive's said the same thing to me many times, about the need for a book on Tommy. He's passed on so much stuff to me about him, gathered whilst researching FS, that there are really no excuses any more. It's time I got off my backside to do something about it.
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