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  1. understand how a team can go from such a high to a low in just a week. The confidence and belief they must have had from beating a top of the table Leeds Utd (at the time) in the manner we did makes no sense to see that capitulation today.. As a bit of statistician I also cannot recall even Wednesday or many other teams for that matter achieving this rather forgettable stat.
  2. I rarely post on here as have some involvement in football. However even I will say that the refereeing display by Neil Swarbrick today was corrupt without question. It may get looked into because of the foul ratio aspect, but also very unlikely that any action will be taken.
  3. Fantastic in-depth post(s) on the clubs ground history.
  4. I remember this match well. Paul Warhurst probably had the worst 5 minutes of his (defensive) footballing career. Firstly an unfortunate back pass to Woods (when in no danger) which McClair intercepted and made it 1-1 - after Hirst had given us the lead. Five minutes later is the goal you mention. A scramble in the box which culminates in Nilsson scuffing a clearance onto our post. Palmer and Warhurst then try to clear the ball and basically run into each other and over the ball, leaving a simple tap in for McClair 1-2. However as you say largely forgotten because of the great comeback with Jemson's brace in the second half.
  5. Full tables 1 LIVERPOOL 31.31 2 ARSENAL 31.59 3 MANCHESTER UTD 36.55 4 EVERTON 37.65 5 TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR 37.72 6 ASTON VILLA 40.46 7 CHELSEA 42.33 8 MANCHESTER CITY 45.12 9 NEWCASTLE UTD 51.26 10 WEST HAM UTD 52.25 11 SUNDERLAND 56.01 12 WEST BROMWICH ALBION 56.75 13 LEEDS UTD 57.76 14 BLACKBURN ROVERS 57.95 15 NOTTINGHAM FOREST 60.05 16 SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY 60.74 17 DERBY CO. 61.26 18 MIDDLESBROUGH 61.68 19 SOUTHAMPTON 62.77 20 LEICESTER CITY 62.83 21 BOLTON WANDERERS 63.53 23 WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS 63.74 22 BIRMINGHAM CITY 63.93 24 SHEFFIELD UTD 65.81 25 STOKE CITY 66.34 26 IPSWICH TOWN 72.44 27 BURNLEY 73.39 28 NORWICH CITY 78.61 29 FULHAM 81.99 30 PORTSMOUTH 82.38 31 PRESTON NORTH END 82.95 32 COVENTRY CITY 83.04 33 CHARLTON ATHLETIC 83.91 34 QUEENS PARK RANGERS 88.05 35 CRYSTAL PALACE 89.13 36 HUDDERSFIELD TOWN 90.78 37 BLACKPOOL 92.91 38 LUTON TOWN 93.63 39 NOTTS CO. 99.56 40 CARDIFF CITY 100.04 41 WATFORD 100.42 42 MILLWALL 101.22 43 BRISTOL CITY 101.67 44 HULL CITY 102.79 45 BARNSLEY 103.05 46 GRIMSBY TOWN 104.98 47 READING 109.26 48 BURY 109.47 49 OLDHAM ATHLETIC 110.54 50 SWANSEA CITY 111.01 51 SWINDON TOWN 111.31 52 BRIGHTON & HOVE ALBION 113.18 53 MK DONS 116.31 54 ROTHERHAM UTD 117.33 55 PLYMOUTH ARGYLE 117.51 56 OXFORD UTD 117.95 57 BRADFORD CITY 118.32 58 WIGAN ATHLETIC 119.71 59 LEYTON ORIENT 121.47 60 BRISTOL ROVERS 124.31 61 PORT VALE 125.37 62 BRENTFORD 126.02 63 WALSALL 128.12 64 BOURNMOUTH 130.05 65 TRANMERE ROVERS 130.32 66 PETERBOROUGH UTD 132.23 67 CARLISLE UTD 132.38 68 LINCOLN CITY 134.87 69 SHREWSBURY TOWN 136.44 70 CHESTERFIELD 136.53 71 STOCKPORT CO. 136.67 72 SOUTHEND UTD 139.02 73 DONCASTER ROVERS 139.07 74 NORTHAMPTON 139.44 75 WREXHAM 139.81 76 GILLINGHAM 140.09 77 CREWE ALEX. 141.13 78 ACCRINGTON STANLEY 143.91 79 YEOVIL TOWN 144.79 80 SCUNTHORPE UTD 145.15 81 CAMBRIDGE UTD 145.97 82 COLCHESTER UTD 146.66 83 BURTON ALBION 147.01 84 STEVENAGE FC 148.25 85 CRAWLEY TOWN 149.71 86 YORK CITY 150.27 87 MANSFIELD TOWN 150.34 88 WYCOMBE WANDERERS 150.98 89 EXETER CITY 153.49 90 NEWPORT COUNTY 154.32 91 FLEETWOOD TOWN 155.97 92 TORQUAY UTD 157.01
  6. All time Positions - 2nd tier I will post the top 20 league later today 21 BOLTON WANDERERS 63.53 22 WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS 63.74 23 BIRMINGHAM CITY 63.93 24 SHEFFIELD UTD 65.81 25 STOKE CITY 66.34 26 IPSWICH TOWN 72.44 27 BURNLEY 73.39 28 NORWICH CITY 78.61 29 FULHAM 81.99 30 PORTSMOUTH 82.38 31 PRESTON NORTH END 82.95 32 COVENTRY CITY 83.04 33 CHALTON ATHLETIC 83.91 34 QUEENS PARK RANGERS 88.05 35 CRYSTAL PALACE 89.13 36 HUDDERSFIELD TOWN 90.78 37 BLACKPOOL 92.91 38 LUTON TOWN 93.63 39 NOTTS CO. 99.56 40 CARDIFF CITY 100.04 41 WATFORD 100.42 42 MILLWALL 101.22 43 BRISTOL CITY 101.67 44 HULL CITY 102.79
  7. Ok, firstly before I post the top two league standings I will do a bit of Q&A from some of you're points raised. Q – The scoring is probably a bit biased towards teams that have been in the league since the early days, i.e. being last would only score 12 points. Hence the average of teams like Nott’s County / Preston could be a bit high. I would image that a team like Gateshead, that only appeared for a few seasons when there were two divisions, should come fairly high. A – Well yes, but that’s just the origins of the Football League. It had to start somewhere and we can only use what has previously gone before. However the league did grow very quickly and by 1892-93 it had already grown to two divisions – which of course is when The Wednesday were elected. Gateshead AFC lost their league status in 1960 and folded in 1973 so are not included. However clubs such as Southport, Workington and Barrow AFC have all spent considerable time in the football league in the past, but because they haven’t been league clubs for 40 years or more, it was decided not to include them. If they regain their league status they will be. Stockport, Wrexham, Tranmere etc. although don’t have current league status, It is more recent (within 10 years), so they remain. Q - How has the Div. 3 North/South been considered? Does bottom get 92 or 68 or something else? A – As they were equal leagues in every aspect (apart from the North/South divide) the teams mirroring the same positions in each of those two leagues got exactly the same amount of points. Q - But you could play in the EFL cup if you are bad enough so technically all teams could play in the EFL cup too. A – Yes, but it doesn’t matter how good or bad a team is, only 48 clubs ever compete, so would unbalance the stats disproportionately. Q - How have Crawley placed above teams who have been in the league for much longer! A – Purely because even as a relatively new league club, they spent a couple of seasons in the 3rd tier which makes their average slightly higher than some others. It will all balance out in time, especially as recently they are floundering near the bottom of the football league. Q - How does MK Dons get so high when they've only been in existence 13 yrs., their highest position being 23rd in Championship? A – Well spotted! Yes they do seem unusually high. This is mainly down to them having quite a good league cup record in their 13 years, they regularly make the 3rd round and even the 4th round on occasions’. Like Crawley previously it will likely balance out in time as will be harder to maintain. Q - How have Hartlepool managed to get a position of 95th (outside the league) when they have spent the last 80 years in it, therefore not finishing lower than 92nd? A – On the whole Hartlepool have a pretty dreadful history of achievement. Only brief excursions into the 3rd tier and very rarely past the 2nd round in the two cup competitions.
  8. As a bit of fun and hopefully a nice distraction for everyone as we gear up for the new season, I thought you might be interested in the following:- Although there are many ‘All time football league positions’ claiming to be the definite one, this particular one (as someone who works doing a lot of sporting stats) putting it simply is based on every League position and major domestic cup competition were all 92 league clubs (in the league at that time) compete. It doesn’t include minor Cup competitions such as the EFL – which is only open to the 3rd and 4th tiered league teams, so in our opinion is not a true representation. It also doesn’t include league attendances, how many times a club has spent in the Premiership etc., its purely based on were a club finishes in each domestic competition in every season they have competed. So how does it work as a true measure of success? For every season that a club has appeared in the Football league since its concept in 1888-89, the FA Cup since its concept in 1872-73 and more recently the League Cup in 1960-61, the points system roughly works as follows:- The Football league: 1st = 1 point 92nd = 92 points The FA Cup and League Cup: Winners = 1 point Runners up = 2 points Points for teams knocked out in the other various Cup rounds can vary depending on the amount of teams competing in that season, plus changes in structure to the rounds over the years, so can vary from 3 points to 56 points or more, depending on which cup competition it is. The cumulative totals for each club in each cup are then divided by seasons in that competition for an overall average total. So the less points a club has = the higher up that club will appear in the list. Please note European competition is a difficult one to include outright as only a few teams compete each season. A measure of how a club qualified and performed in Europe is taken in to consideration, but is a difficult one to explain in detail. Please also remember History takes a long time to build and equally to fall. As previously mentioned this is based on every position in every season, in every mayor cup competitions and not just the recent past. Finally this List will never appear in any magazine, newspaper or website, as it has been primarily generated for mine and few others use. It is not rubber stamped ‘official’ or the ‘gospel’ but in our opinion is the most exact in every detail, although I’m sure some will still challenge it. I hope you enjoy it. Below is Part one, which shows clubs from 45th to 92nd positions broken into how they would appear in the all-time 3rd and 4th tier positions, plus their accumulative points gained over the years. I have also added positions 93rd to 100 out of interest, if indeed anyone is… Part 2 tomorrow which will show positions 1 – 44 (the top two tiers of English Football) 45 BARNSLEY 103.05 46 GRIMSBY TOWN 104.98 47 READING 109.26 48 BURY 109.47 49 OLDHAM ATHLETIC 110.54 50 SWANSEA CITY 111.01 51 SWINDON TOWN 111.31 52 BRIGHTON & HOVE ALBION 113.18 53 MK DONS 116.31 54 ROTHERHAM UTD 117.33 55 PLYMOUTH ARGYLE 117.51 56 OXFORD UTD 117.95 57 BRADFORD CITY 118.32 58 WIGAN ATHLETIC 119.71 59 LEYTON ORIENT 121.47 60 BRISTOL ROVERS 124.31 61 PORT VALE 125.37 62 BRENTFORD 126.02 63 WALSALL 128.12 64 BOURNMOUTH 130.05 65 TRANMERE ROVERS 130.32 66 PETERBOROUGH UTD 132.23 67 CARLISLE UTD 132.38 68 LINCOLN CITY 134.87 69 SHREWSBURY TOWN 136.44 70 CHESTERFIELD 136.53 71 STOCKPORT CO. 136.67 72 SOUTHEND UTD 139.02 73 DONCASTER ROVERS 139.07 74 NORTHAMPTON TOWN 139.44 75 WREXHAM 139.81 76 GILLINGHAM 140.09 77 CREWE ALEX. 141.13 78 ACCRINGTON STANLEY 143.91 79 YEOVIL TOWN 144.79 80 SCUNTHORPE UTD 145.15 81 CAMBRIDGE UTD 145.97 82 COLCHESTER UTD 146.66 83 BURTON ALBION 147.01 84 STEVENAGE FC 148.25 85 CRAWLEY TOWN 149.71 86 YORK CITY 150.27 87 MANSFIELD TOWN 150.34 88 WYCOMBE WANDERERS 150.98 89 EXETER CITY 153.49 90 NEWPORT COUNTY 154.32 91 FLEETWOOD TOWN 155.97 92 TORQUAY UTD 157.01 93 ROCHDALE 158.23 94 ALDERSHOT 158.31 95 HARTLEPOOL UTD 158.51 96 MACCLESFIELD TOWN 159.79 97 CHELTENHAM TOWN 161.28 98 MORECAMBE 166.48 99 DAGENHAM & REDBRIDGE 169.11 100 BARNET 169.39
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