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  1. 1 hour ago, BIG D said:

    Has to be Bannan, Adeniran and Dele-Bashiru doesn’t it?

    Has he stumbled upon his midfield at last?


    (I haven’t seen the game so could be wrong)




    The three I picked before the match. Will get the best out of Bannan and still make us competitive in there.

  2. 15 minutes ago, Dutch McLovin said:

    Think Corbeanau need to have a run of games.


    Palmer is better at defending but has never been a left back. We need a attack minded one behind Bannan but I agree Brown isn’t the man. 

    Best appearances in the shirt have probably been at left back. Always picked there eventually under numerous mangers infront of left footed left backs. Think he is very underrated in that role.

  3. 7 minutes ago, Dutch McLovin said:

    I think we nearly have the personal to play the way CC did in 2015. Bar left back we’re nearly there:




    Hunt Iorfa Hutchinson Brown 


    Johnson Adenrian Luongo Bannan


    Gregory Corbeanau 

    Brown for Palmer and Corbeanu or Johnson for Paterson I was go.

  4. 23 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:


    That's too narrow for me, if you play a diamond you need width from the full-backs, Palmer won't give us that on the left.


    Wing and Bannan operated well together in central midfield on Saturday and we were on for a win until a daft sub changed our set up. 

    Would agree with that. Hope we see Palmer and Johnson down the left tonight. Brown has had enough of an opportunity on the left wing. 


    Will probably be Brown for Johnson and Adenarin for Dele-Bashiru though I would think.

  5. 3 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:


    He played better than he has done in recent games on Saturday in a 3-man midfield. We created more chances than previous games and he wasn't getting in Bannan's way or vice versa as you suggest.

    They can both play in midfield in a 3-5-2 or a 4-3-2-1 if we also have a box to box player or a proper holding player in there too. 


    Playing people out of position has never worked for us consistently. We have hardly played a game with 2 proper wingers starting despite playing 4-3-3 many times so how do you know the wingers are rubbish? Moore hasn't given them the right platform, Shodipo was a key player for a top 6 side in this division last season.   

    Moore doesn't really play a style that suits the wingers does he or we would have been putting them in more. 

    I would say with Bannan or Wing you have to have one of them higher up the pitch to stop them both sitting in and being to deep. Only way to do this really is to play one on the wing in a front 3 or at the tip of a diamond.


    Go like this later I think we will win.



    Hunt     Iorfa   Hutchinson  Palmer


              Adeniran    Dele-Bashiru 


                  Paterson   Gregory 


    Boring I know. But we need to grind out victories and have a better back bone to defend a lead.


    Then swap a midfielder for a winger if we need to attack then. 


    But one thing we can't do is play five out and out attacking players and go one down. As we all know we don't come back from that.

  6. 1 hour ago, hirstyboywonder said:


    Anyone else you want to shoehorn into a position that doesn't suit them? 



    Doesn't work in the position he is in does it. 


    Why we are all obsessed with playing real wingers is beyond me. Every one is useless. 


    Try a diamond in midfield.


    Play him off Gregory.


    Do something other then let him fight Bannan for the ball in midfield. Which every ball playing midfield does when next to Bannan.

  7. 31 minutes ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said:

    Team is relegated from Championship bottom of the League with zero fight. 
    Club doesn’t pay wages on time.

    Club doesn’t post accounts on time. 
    Team looses 15 players

    Team recruits 14 players consisting of unwanted released players and unproven loanees. 
    Team finishes 7th. 
    This is a failure so manager must be sacked. 


    Team doesn't sell all its good high earning player most of which will still be on championship wages.


    Team has Chansiri as chairman.


    Yes he is 100% getting sacked unless we finish in the play offs.

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  8. 1 hour ago, hirstyboywonder said:


    We'd be top 6 and improving if we were on track, not get worse than when we started the season.


    I have never said go all out attack and have advocated playing a proper holding midfielder and the energy of Adeniran. Playing proper wingers/wide attackers in the attacking positions rather than a full-back and a completely out of position striker just makes sense. 

    If not then play a different formation.  



    Give Moore a bit more time to get used to the players and a tactic. I think we will get better than more the season goes on. 

    As for Brown and Berahino as wingers. To me that says more about just how poor the likes of Sow, Corbeanu and Shodipo must be, or at least what they mustn't be showing in training. Or even what that are not willing to do when they don't have the ball. Then it does about Moore's strange selection choices. Once they get used to what Moore wants from them I am sure we will see them more.

  9. 1 hour ago, SwellOwl said:

    Ryan Lowe's Plymouth finished 18th last season after being promoted.


    *some time later* this season, performances have improved, funny that.

    To be fair we have been relegated not promoted. Not finishing in the top 6 this season would be a failure and will see Moore sacked.

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  10. 32 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:


    You sound like Moore, we should be looking to win more often, not concentrate on not losing. 


    We got hammered by Plymouth with the back 4 that you would pick. We lost to Oxford when playing Bannan as a winger for an abysmal 45 minutes. 

    I agree on the need for legs in front of the deep lying midfielders. Adeniran for me, then the legs out wide, options to get in behind and also dribble at defenders. 

    We are too deep as a team and playing a full-back as a wing forward does not help in that sense.

    The problem with the Plymouth game was playing 3 playmakers in midfield with no real defensive cover.


    I just feel in this league if you go all out attack with the, let them worry about us attitude. And you fill the team with attacking talent and not with workmen like players like Adeniran, Palmer and Paterson. You will get found out more often then not. 

    Only because we aren't creating chance after chance doesn't make us a bad team and doesn't mean that eventually our luck will run out.


    Getting out of this division is the aim for Moore by any means nessecasry and so far its on course. We are still a work in progress.

  11. 15 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:


    I think you are getting carried away with some of Windass link play. His passing and decision making at times left a lot to be desired.


    Our wingers have pace to get at players. Shodipo was one of the stand out players for a team that got to the play offs last season, play wingers in wide attack, not defenders who don't have as much end product or goal threat. 


    In a 4-2-3-1 we don't need wide players to carry the ball up the pitch, we need them as a threat in the final 3rd. We need to play further forward as a team, not sit everyone behind the ball so often. 

    Our problems playing so deep come when players like Bannan, Wing, Hutchinson, Byers are all in the middle of the park. All want to receive the ball deep and play that pass. It empties the midfield.

    We need a false 9 type player to drop deep and cover the gaps. Or play only bannan in there and then the likes of Dele-Bashiru and Adeniran next to him, runners, workers. Its why Pelupessy next to Bannan worked ok. It's all a balancing act.

    But it all starts from a solid back four who are all capable of defending. When we have played that this season we haven't lost.

  12. 2 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:


    Palmer has proved for more than a season that he is just as comfortable at left-back as he is at right-back. It may stop him from getting crosses in but if we play attacking as a 4-2-3-1 and leave the wingers free to do their jobs then the full-backs need to defend as a priority, not create chances. 


    The stats this season so far show that what we have been best at is intercepting - 

    https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/8/Seasons/8620/Stages/19795/TeamStatistics/England-League-One-2021-2022 - better than every team in the division. 


    That's great, but to me this seems largely as a result of our tendency to sit in, we win the ball back in our half because we have so many players, including our supposed attacking ones, in defensive positions. When we do win the ball back through breaking up passes, we are too deep to do anything with it. By comparison, our stats for tackling are bottom-half - we aren't particularly good at winning the ball back in that situation and breaking forward, that's why having a ball winner like Luongo and Hutchinson in this formation is vital, to break play up and allow others to get further up field rather than all having to sit in to get the ball back. 





    It's why we need brown in the team because he is a massive outlet with his pace as a winger to carry the ball up the pitch and its why we need Windass because he will drop in and closes the gap we leave between the attack and the midfield when we drop so deep. Which is what I said in other thread Hooper and Forestieri did magnificently.

  13. 3 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:


    Lowest scorers outside the bottom 3.

    Not unrelated to the fact we play left-backs on the wing, strikers with no real positional sense of playing wide on the the wing, while having wingers on the bench.

    If you play 4-2-3-1 - which if successful often involves wingers contributing goals as well as assists, then cutting inside is part of the option. Having a left-back paying left-wing and crossing occasionally to the sole striker is not working. 


    Shots per game tells a sorry story of our attacking prowess with this approach


    Shodipo it is then. Dropping Palmer from left back and putting a winger in there is worse, as we will struggle to win games, as it has been proven.

  14. 18 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:


    Shodipo is a scoring threat and will get at defenders. He showed that against Shrewsbury, deserves more of a run in the side. Brown works hard, can't fault him but play a full-back as a winger and the goal threat diminishes and the attack is disjointed, just as it is when playing Berahino in a wide position. 


    Play Brown as a wing-back, a full-back or not at all. Play wingers on the wing. 


    We are the lowest scorers outside the bottom 3 for a reason. 

    Shodipo is an option. But he cuts inside alot and with Palmer at left back I want a player who would hug the touchline there.

  15. 4 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:


    And instead plays Johnson, who is a liability defensively at left-back and his errors keep costing goals, then says he is playing well and drops him from the squad. 


    Moore doesn't know what to do with half his players - as he said himself we may see Brown at left-back, wing-back, left-wing. Hardly good for continuity of the team.



    I'd rather have the left-back at left-back and a winger who has been successful recently at this level at left-wing. 


    Square pegs in square holes, so you point about the formation I agreed with having a winger at full-back is incorrect.  



    Palmer is the best player we have by a mile at the moment to play left back. Then play a Corbeanu or Brown infront of him to offer the width going forward he can not.

  16. 3 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:



    The vast majority of Brown's professional 1st team appearances have been at left-back. 

    Buts that's not how Moore sees him. He sees him as a winger.  He clearly brought him to probably play left back because of the reason you have given. But he has seen something in him that tells him he is a winger.

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