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  1. 2 minutes ago, darra said:

    Sometimes with some players, it comes a to a stage in their careers when its not about money but more about playing for the club you've supported all you life. Having said that it's still unlikely to happen.

     

    Wishful thinking as David Jones is a wednesday fan and he’s happy to take his 300k per week :rolleyes:

  2. I’d rest Lees, Hector, Hutchinson, Bannan, Reach & Matais

     

                                      Dawson

     

    Palmer.            Thorniley.            Pudil.             Penney.  

     

               Pelupessy.           Jones.          Boyd 

     

                                          Abdi. :ph34r:              

     

                        Winnall.                     Nuhiu.    

     

    Wildsmith 

    Baker

    Fox

    Bannan

    Reach

    Matais

    Fletcher

  3. 3 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

    Elmohamady is a dreadful player

     

    Dreadful is a little disrespectful to a player who has played 400 games half of them in the premier league and the other half challenging for promotion in the championship.

     

     

  4. 3 minutes ago, optimisticowl said:

    Just a thought, I wondered if the ground could be sold to a connected party, this would allow say, the Chansiri family to put money into the club without losing ownership of the ground or breaching FFP rules.

     

    The rules are clear they specifically refer to ‘fair market value’ and transactions at arms length.

     

    legally means we cannot over inflate the value of our stadium / training ground / shirt sponsorship etc etc in terms of bringing increased revenue into the club.

     

    arms length means there cannot be any financial connection between the buyer and the seller and no collusion is going on.

     

    even if we’ve found a loop hole, we are currently losing that much cash that 30 mill won’t go that far...

  5. Yes it’s his cash to a certain extent, but if he gambles and loses he’s £100 million out of pocket he flys back to Thailand and washes his hands of us.

     

    Our losses this season will be circa £10 million, knock that of the reported sale fee and it gives us cash for a couple of decent players....is it really worth the risk, would we become auto candidates, I don’t think so.

     

    His money, his gamble but I don’t like the prospect of renting Hillsborough to a third party who’s interest will only be a return on their investment.

     

  6. I just don’t see how this gets past the EFL.

     

    Arms length means no collusion between the buyer and the seller. Anything remotely linking DC and a prospective buyer will be deemed as collusion.

     

    There are plenty of mega rich owners in this league, if is was acceptable way of pumping 20-30 million into a club they’d all be at it.

     

     

  7. The appointment of Jos was the biggest car crash of a managerial appointment I can remember in all my years supporting Wednesday.

     

    zero experience of English football 

     

    in semi retirement 

     

    stubborn 

     

    didn’t have a clue what his best team or system was

     

    alienated key players

     

    .....thanks Jos, you muppet we could have 5-10 points if not more without him :rolleyes:

  8. I’m fed up of Joey telling everyone around him to pass it back to Lees and Hector. Slowing us down so frustrating.

     

    there is acres of space down the flanks as Preston are playing so narrow, ball in midfield should be going wide at every opportunity not back to the centre halves.

     

    Should do the business in the second half hopefully 

     

     

  9. Jos got ripped apart because 90% of his decisions were completely baffling.

     

    The way he set us up was completely anti football. No clue about the opposition / EFL.

     

    If Westwood, Hutch, Boyd, Jones are included in the squad today it’s pretty damming that Jos didn’t have a clue what he was doing other than alienating senior pros 

     

     

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  10. 6 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said:

     

    Stoke are not comparable to us, like you stated they have just been relegated, have parachute monies and ongoing, historic Premier deals.

     

    Give me an example of a club in our position. There are 12 clubs actively being monitored closely by EFL in an attempt to bring them back towards the limits so plenty to choose from.

     

    Thanks.

     

    Round and round we go.

     

    If you cannot grasp that DC could inject further money in the commercial side of the club (and is either choosing not to or doesn’t have the finances too) without sanctions by the EFL let’s just leave it there.

     

    Its like me saying to you, name the 12 clubs you quote are being monitored, tell me what they are all doing with regards to P&S.

     

    Lets pick this up after tomorrow night...should make interesting reading!

     

     

     

     

     

  11. 4 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said:

     

    I will accept it if you show me where it is written down.

     

     

     

    Where what is written down?!? 

     

    The onus is on the club to justify the income is ‘fair value’ to the EFL....which shouldn’t be difficult seen as most of the larger clubs put us to shame in this area.

     

    As an extreme example Stoke City will recieve £3.2 million THIS year just in shirt sponsorship alone, yes they were in the premier league recently but when you add in the rest of their owners investment on the ground sponsorship and corporate areas, If we really had the means and the motivation there are ways to inject further funds.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  12. 11 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said:

     

    How much funding is allowed under FFP rules for owners to inject in sponsorship?

     

    I believe the limit is set in comparison to commercial rates and we are at that limit.

     

    You've made the claim now show the evidence, thanks.

     

    There are plenty of clubs in this division that are light years ahead of us in terms of sponsorship and commercial revenue.

     

    £1.2 million in the 2017 accounts is ‘ok’  DC could inject upwards of 5 million in multi shirt sponsorship, ground, seats, corporate etc each season without sanctions and still deem it within commercial rates. 

     

    If you refuse to accept this, not my problem. 

     

  13. 1 minute ago, Morepork said:

     

    Make multiple assumptions and state them as fact. Not helpful under any circumstances really.

     

    Think you will find the above is my opinion not fact...

     

    But if you want to be pedantic maybe you missed the excessive ticket prices, £90 memberships, “promotion or trouble” from DC.

     

    All points to a happy ever after doesn’t it.

     

     

  14. 7 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said:

     

    Can you answer my question then please?

     

    Taken from the last financial accounts....D Chansiri paid a total £1.2 million for shirt sponsorship, elev8, D Taxi’s, seat sponsorship etc etc basically his name plastered everywhere.

     

    Based on P&S we have to demonstrate a ‘fair market value’ i’ll leave you compare us with the top 6 sides in the division on how much they receive in sponsorship.

     

    He could inject huge sums to improve the commercial side of our club to enable us to compete but he doesn’t.

  15. There are ways to invest more cash in the club if he wanted too....he doesn’t, he’s run out of cash.

     

    I would be happy to support the promotion of under 23s into the main squad and will always cheer them on regardless but I am not paying £35 a time to watch average football in an attempt to try to bridge the gap of his spend or bust roulette job he has overseen.

     

    I’ve said it multiple times, he has spent the multi year season ticket money in one go in a boom or bust chuck some cash at it, and now he has the prospect of covering the losses year on year.

     

    We are in serious trouble.

     

    This is a guy who thought £90 memberships in the second tier of English football represented ‘good value’ 

     

    Tomorrow will pave the way for him to wash his hands of us and leave us right in the poo  

     

     

  16. Saturday takes me back over 15 years...same type of situation and similar time of year.

     

    Yorath quit and we had Bill Green (chief scout) step in to manage us against Derby, the atmosphere was horrible worst I’ve ever known if we lost 3-1 

     

    We then had Turner rock up with ‘Europe in 5 years’ ...... maybe history repeating itself lol

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