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Bearwood Owl1

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  1. 7 hours ago, Alfie Tupper said:

    For most of the first home match after the sacking, the Kop chanted for Burtenshaw and against McGee (something about his parentage) - I was only 15 and I've often wondered since what they were thinking, but that's what happened.    

     

    "Sack the board" chants most weeks?  I'm less sure about this, but I don't think so.  I think we were remarkably supportive, looking back.   Maybe they were more deferential times, there was no social media (even the radio 'phone-in was yet to be invented), and the local papers were more or less supportive of the club (perhaps they had a cosy relationship or thought that positive stories sell papers - I don't know).  Obviously the majority of fans had simply stopped going - perhaps only the more upbeat remained - which could be why some people have a rose tinted view of the era (just idle speculation).

     

    Steve Burtenshaw was probably appointed with a brief to re-build the club from the bottom up, and his work with the youth side of it is well acknowledged - David Grant, Mark Smith, John Pearson and Mel Sterland all came through the youth set up.  I think that he also tried to produce a side playing attractive, passing, football - maybe that's why some people liked him.  Of course a passing side will usually lose out to a "more robust" side, unless the players are significantly better, and ours definitely were not - hence the results (and there's nothing attractive about getting battered every week).  Bert McGee was said to be a tough character, and his appointment of Ashurst, and later Charlton, reflects this - we needed to kick our way out of division three.

     

    Just to end my ramble (guess who's off sick today), it amused me when, a few years later, Martin Peters was appointed manager of United and told the press that  his old England colleague Jack, who was by then our manager, had called him to say, "you have to kick your way out of the third division".  Peters responded by insisting, "we're going to play our way out", which of course they did - into division 4!  

    Yes I guess most weeks might be pushing it - but the fans weren't averse to having a go -  a few cushion throwing incidents a nd previous chairman Sir Andrew Stephen going to game via taxi as fed up of having his car scratched just two examples.

     

    Agree on the wider points about SB. Two ex players I've interviewed really rated him. So he had something. I think I'll need to acknowledge the counter argument, but accept that he basically failed when I finish writing this bit up.


  2. 4 minutes ago, Utah Owl said:

    Even so strange timing, by this time Burtenshaw was getting better results, and Ashurst got off to a shocking start. The fact that it went down to the final game of the season was a complete embarrassment.

     

    It was only by virtue of the fact that we won the last 5 at home that we stopped up at all and in the first game of that run we had to rely on an 86th minute OG from Colchester to save us, in front of less than 7,000 fans. We worshipped Accurst as a saviour at the time, but in retrospect I'm not sure that Burtenshaw would have been as bad or worse.

    Which brings me back to where I started. It's 45 years ago now, so there can be a bit of objective distance. Maybe it's time to re-evaluate SB (even if only a little!)


  3. 1 hour ago, Utah Owl said:

    That's just not true. He was sacked immediately after we beat Millwall 4-1 in October of 75 which had us in 12th place. Ashurst was appointed on 15th October 1975 and it took four or 5 games before he got his first win (November 5th v Gillingham) and we all know how the rest of the season panned out.

     

    Whether Burtenshaw would have done any better or not who knows (probably not) but he inherited a poor team which needed a major rebuild and we just had no money at the time. Ashurst was certainly a capable enough manager and he struggled and only lasted two seasons. Then along came a certain Jack Charlton.

     

    Just as a funny aside, whenever I type in Ashurst the spell check automatically alters it to Accurst which given Wednesday managers track record of the time seems rather appropriate!

    Not necessarily disagreeing with the point, but I believe SB went before the 4-1 as that was one of Jim Macnearney's two games as caretaker manager I think. 


  4. Not my picture, but I'm wondering if it's time to rethink Steve Burtenshaw? A couple of the ex players I've spoken to recently for my book on the period rated his coaching and enthusiasm. Set up Middlewood Rovers. And I'm told (some) fans protested about his sacking.
     
    Has anyone got any other arguments in favour? I know there are lots against :)
     

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  5. Been offered a publishing deal for this - which means that,  all being well, next summer thete'll be a professionally produced book on the shelves of all good retailers.

     

    Thanks to everyone's help so far on it. The book aims to reflect the experience of fans - I couldn't do that without all the comments here and elsewhere.  :)

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  6. 55 minutes ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said:

     

    Dunsby may help. I made the Nationals by selling the car in order to stock up on the share issue that was made by Wednesday. I placed the add in the Star and to give it gravitas they sent up a Photographer... The cheeky sods sold it on to all the tabloids. To be fair a 3 month old Mk III 2 ltr was a bit steep for me, I finished up with £250 in shares and a clapped out Hillman Hunter lol

     

    Love the story! I'm being g quite strict with myself - finishing at the end of 75-76 when we reached our lowest ever league position. The share issue came later in 76 than that.

     

    I might make an exception in my section on fans stories and tall tales though :) Might well give you a shout when I get to that one.

     

    Dunsby has already been a huge help, on here, via his SWFC history Facebook group and Twitter. I think even he's struggling to find a Save Our Owls sticker though!


  7. 14 minutes ago, OWLERTON GHOST said:

    It had everything in it 

    Still got most of it too!!!

    I'm currently writing up a section on memorabilia - what people kept and why. I have autograph books, silk scarfs, a north stand cushion, and programmes galore so far. I'd be really interested in seeing anything you might still have from c73-76 :)


  8. 19 hours ago, Utah Owl said:

    Absolutely, I spent a small fortune in there! Also there was an extremely attractive assistant in there that I fancied something rotten but never dared to ask her for a date! I would have been about 18 or 19 and reckon she was similar age.

    The programme occasionally featured pictures of the staff  It was acceptable in the 19 70s I suppose. Anyhow, was the object of your affection this young lady?

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  9. I've come across this thread as I'm currently researching and writing a book on the darkest times - 1973-76. Would love to hear any stories from that time (cushion related or not!). I gather that then chairman Sir Andrew Stephen resigned after some particularly vociferous protests in late 1973 - with the odd cushion thrown. The next chairman sacked Derek Dooley on Christmas Eve, so maybe cushions have a lot to answer for!

    More detail on what I'm up to here:
     

     

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