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  1. Exactly, there's no problem with other clubs being older than Wednesday, whether in the league or not, whether in England or not, but when club's claims are based on dubious sources, it just annoys me. There's no shame in admitting they're not sure when their clubs were formed, even if they believe it's 1863 or 1868 or whatever, but surely sticking it on the badge or claiming it as somehow 'official' just seems really pathetic. Personally i think it's great that some clubs may have been formed earlier, but 'may have been' is the operative phrase here, and my inner historian (ooer!) gets all wound up. 'I believe' and 'I know for a fact' are very different; i know for a fact Wednesday were formed in September 1867, there's lots of strong, contemporaneous evidence, but i can only believe The Wednesday cricket club were formed in 1820, because the sources are not strong or reliable enough, but using 'est 1820' on our official history/badge would apparently be acceptable by some other clubs' standards. I mean we may have tried to back date our accounts, and got punished for it, but thank fooook we aint resorted to back dating our entire history in some form of lazy one-upmanship! UTO!
  2. I was reading an article about the oldest clubs in the world recently, and one gripe i have is that some of the clubs which claim to be older than Wednesday, for example Stoke and their claim of 1863 being based only on an article about reports from that time of a club, that may or may not be Stoke, playing a match in that year. Stoke weren't the only example, though i can't remember which clubs. However, Wednesday can produce actual documents, minutes, and signatures of people who signed up to join the club, as well as contemporary local media reports of the meeting citing, notable signatories, key decisions made and even the venue of the formation of The Wednesday football club etc. Now, i was always taught in history classes (as well as at uni when studying for my B.A.) to weigh all the primary and seconday, even tertiary evidence and the reliability of sources cited when making bold claims. It seems that many clubs that claim an earlier formation based this on fairly weak sources, whilst Wednesday's claim is pretty concrete in terms of documentary evidence. Anyway, pet peeve or not, Happy Birthday Wednesday, WTID.
  3. I remember when Carlos first arrived at Hillsborough, i asked one of my English Language students here in Istanbul who used to play under him at IBB Spor (now known as Istanbul Başakşehir) about him. He kind of sighed, said he is a good coach but doesn't seem to be able to turn things round when on a losing streak. I mentioned this in a thread at the time, and i guess he was right. I liked Carlos but he frustrated me and when i realised the extent of the lack of fitness training he did with players and the damage it did to players such as Keiran Lee i found it unforgivable. I enjoyed the first season, 2nd season was effective but so frustrating, and i agree with many on here that he should have gone after the bottle job against Hudds (and took Rhodes with him).
  4. Agreed, and from what I'm seeing, albeit just on ifollow and highlights, as well as match reports and comments like the OP, the potential of this midfield to be really fluid (when and if they 'click') is, to quote Mr Adeniran, frightening! They all offer something slightly different creatively, and they all seem to be able to cover each other in terms of defensive ability, again in different ways. Adeniran is seems like a real box to box player, Byers offers the simplicity and smart positioning required, Wing will interchange with Bannan as the danger for almost any opposition we face this season because, as mentioned by bigash, it won't just be Bannan's ability they need to neutralise. Probably will be in spells for a while, down to coaches instructions during a match, but if and when that intuition between them develops, it should be one of the most fluid midfields seen at Wednesday for many a year. I also think the mentality of the squad is key, so far everone is positive and understands the need to grow as a team and the patience required, obviously the first test of that will be if there are a couple of bad results/performance and how they respond to that. The test after that is to not be overconfident or complacent if we go on good runs of results, i.e. thinking we can just turn up and win. If we manage to do these things, we could be in for a hell of a season (and beyond). Add to that the potential in the forward line as well, with Gregory, Kamberi, Corbeanu, Shadipo, Johnson, Windass, ans Sow, andI'm genuinely excited by the possibilities for the first time in ages. All ifs and buts right now, but as i said, the potential is there, it just need realising. Great credit to Moore in that respect, lets hope the seeds he is planting (and on such a constrained budget) bear the fruit we all crave as a club, and as fans.
  5. To be fair, he didn't have to do a lot of scoreboard operating last season. His duties mainly consisted in maintaining the scoreboard's operating system!
  6. Nice article that, and like other have said I have a good feeling about Moore, his attitude and footballing philosophy. I like how the article lists his credentials too. I really hope he can succed, of course, and really build something to be proud of, though that needs patience - not so much from the fans, god knows we've been patient this last 20 years or so, but from the the general malaise of short-termism in modern life, and definitely from the interferer-in-chief from Thailand; patience and trust. Another thing raised in the article is the difficulty in building a team on a shoestring, but i actually think Wednesday's problem has always been when we waste money by spaffing large sums on players. I've been watching since 1982, big Jack, sgt Wilko built solid teams with astute signings, even BFR wheeled and dealed (e.g. selling Dalian, for a substantial profit, and bringing in Shirtliff, Williams, and Wilson with the proceeds) although on a better budget than the previous managers. It starts to go downhill for Wednesday when we think we have to spend big on players who, for whatever reason, simply don't perform. Thanks for posting the article OP, WAWAW!
  7. Optimism is all I've got left after the last 20 years or so of 'typical' Wednesday, so.... ...and when we win promotion, this is what we'll sing... We are Wednesday, We are Wednesday, Darren Moore's our king!
  8. I've got to say that the new Sheffield F.C. away shirt looks f'kin mint (apart from the red bits obviously)
  9. Say thank you Pierce.... *trembling voice* thank you! You're welcome
  10. Etti ***** biscuits (a little more controversial) even the swear filter can't handle this one, suffice to say it would be considered a racial epithet almost anywhere else but Turkey, where it merely a very misguided and utterly unexportable 'oreo' biscuit!
  11. My favourite brands here, based on nothing more than the hilarity it causes me are; 'Tittiz' car care systems; Etti ***** biscuits (a little more controversial); and as you mentiioned, the time-honoured 'Arcelik' quite possibly the last thing i want emblazoned across my fridge door, puts me right off my sucuklu yumurta!
  12. Haha I follow them on Facebook, as my wife's family are from the black sea region (Rize and Trabzon). I googled if there was any club called Wednesday in Turkey years ago, and they popped up. They are in the Samsun city region and I think they are some sort of feeder club to Samsunspor in the Turkish Super Lig, or if not they are big fans of Samsunspor (the biggest club in that city). It keeps me out of arguments about which is my Turkish club because when I'm asked who i support i obviously say wednesday, and telling the Turks i genuinely don't care who wins or loses in the matches here doesn't cut it! 'Hadi Çarşambaspor, her yer Çarşamba!'
  13. That Sheridan goal did seem to take an age crossing the line, didn't it! Although i think Sheridan's placement was better than Paterson's - right into the corner, whereas Paterson's effort seems to go under Begovic. Either way, Paterson took the shot unexpectedly early as mentioned above, and their goalie will have nightmares about it for ages... Happy days!
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