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  1. I want to see us play with pace and confidence. It’s League 1 ffs and we have players who are capable of putting us right in the mix. I don’t want to see us play 5 at that back because that’s what it is when you play with actual full backs as wing backs. AND I don’t want to hear our manager consistently bigging the opposites up like he did with Wimbledon saying that they play ‘wonderful football’. Pick our best team and play in a formation that suits us. Don’t think about the opposition. Let them worry about us.
    22 points
  2. Christ. Let's get rid of a manager with a crap recent run and replace him with a manager with a horrendous recent run. Only on Owlstalk
    22 points
  3. The legendary 'ball playing centre back' has returned as the answer to our prayers!! As it was under Carlos and many other managers over the years. Where art thou Joost, your servants await?! A mythical creature, half man, half horse, half Beckenbauer and half Baresi, this chiselled and magnificent beast can spin on a sixpence, ballet dance past any attacker and can gracefully clip 60 yarders at will to onrushing attackers.
    19 points
  4. Moore and his coaching staff are turning us into a soft centred .. no bottle…. bunch of wimps …. 20 coaching staff on the team photo and we are still an easy team to play against………… Maybe it’s time for a no nonsense..say it like it is ..manager like Mick McCarthy … days are numbered at Cardiff……Fans will relate to him and he would definitely get this squad going …..
    16 points
  5. Had a pint with a colleague of mine who supports Wimbledon. He said we were the best team they have played this season and we were a constant threat - they haven’t been undone as much by anyone as much as we did. Said we couldn’t finish them off and wasted tons of chances. He thought Bannan and Gregory were too good for this league and we used Hunt well. Also said that we were really disorganised at the back and it was clear that his team were targeting our LB (Brown). He said our centre backs were very poor with the ball and looked like bambi on ice… He couldn’t believe we didn’t shut up shop towards the end. Felt like we wanted to score a third but that left us exposed for them to equalise. Apparently Wimbledon have really struggled against teams who go defensive so thinks we threw away the win.
    12 points
  6. The overreactions on this site if we don’t win are ridiculous at times.
    12 points
  7. A fair assessment - a good post. There’s so much hysteria amongst entitled Wednesday supporters. We’ll be there or thereabouts. Certainly in the play offs. But there are weaknesses in the squad, as highlighted by your colleague which we need to work on.
    11 points
  8. It's not the manner in which we lost points, its the frequency of it.
    8 points
  9. Don’t worry that’s how our owner feels about football.
    7 points
  10. Its possible but I don't think this group of players is as good as some people will have you believe. Think we will finish 12th.
    7 points
  11. Get Moore out and get an old fashioned manager in. Promotion won't be a problem.
    7 points
  12. Thanks to everyone who voted - @hirstys_achilles, @onlyonedavidhirst, @CalmJimmers, @A E Neuman NYowl, @nevthelodgemoorowl, @Holmowl, @trotter, @Ash77, @frastheowl, @Owlabroad2001, @davetherivelinowl, @adamwestsleftear, @Phil H. We had 14 votes in total. Average scores are: Wimbledon vs SWFC - 16 October 2021 Wildsmith: 5.9 Hunt: 7.1 Iorfa: 7.0 Dunkley: 6.2 Palmer: 6.0 Brown: 3.9 Wing: 5.5 Bannan: 8.1 Dele-Bashiru: 6.5 Gregory: 8.2 - MoM Paterson: 6.2 Berahino: 3.9
    7 points
  13. We’re a soft touch and sides seem to know if they keep pushing there is a reasonable chance we will concede at some point in the latter stages of a game.
    7 points
  14. see thats all ok for people of a certain age...I'm bloody 63.....Now yer can have yer "build back better" plan..How long...5 years?...10 years?...Now i'm advancing in age and simply see me sitting there, incontinent in me seat, with a season ticket for me carer and meself...as we hit the Championship. I remember "Europe in 5 years"...How many years ago was that?..."premiership return ticket?????.."..I mean the f.ookin' statute of limitations must have seen the end of that crock of sheeite!!!. So I want it now... Don't wanna be sat there "trying to bounce If 'm not a blade"..cos me bowels would open!!! They sodding OWE me!!! EVERY incumbent asks for "Patience"...Sorry mate...its not impatience..its bloody desperately wanting at least summat, while watchin' Buzzards circle over the hallowed halls..Half expecting the 4 horseman of the apocathingy to trot out the tunnel instead of our back 4....(Which is more or less the same bleedin' thingy lately)..Death...to Famine...to .War...actually its just the 3 cos bleedin' Conquest has been out injured....(Back in 2 Decades)..War back to Death To Famine...who slips...etc etc etc You sit there through yer youth...Then its Bunions, piles f.ookin' gout..they spout... "patience!!" I mean..this is me on the Kop!!!!...Whats it gonna be like when I shrug off this mortal coil...and sit on The South????????
    7 points
  15. Quite clearly we have some immediate issues we need to address before the next game that most fans can see and Moore swimmingly cannot: 1. A ball playing CB - Iorfa and Dunkley does not work and they aren’t confident to pick a pass out 2. A replacement at LB/LWB - has to be Palmer for me if/until we bring in a natural as Brown will never fit there 3. Midfield 3 - This has to be Bannan + a ball winner + power to move us up pitch. Wing doesn’t suit our setup, totally ineffective and slow and Hutch should never play outside of CB again. This would have to be any out of Adeniran, FDB or Shodipo - win the ball higher up the pitch and some pace/power alongside Bannan. Game management and tactics are anyone’s guess under DM but the above to me are what we should start with tomorrow night.
    6 points
  16. His mum probably hasn't been born yet either.
    6 points
  17. Because we have no shape when on the back foot. It’s all reactive defending. I mean look at this before they equalise. Iorfa & Dunkley have been dragged out to the right side of the box when they should be defending the centre. This leaves Palmer isolated. Bannan, who should be the one closing down the crosser has decided to join the back line. When we lose the ball we should be working as hard as possible to make a flat back 5 and a solid 3 in front of the defence. There is no shape, no organisation. We can talk all day about scoring more goals but at 2-0 we should be able to see a game out.
    6 points
  18. There was still some quality in that team, as shown in the 5-0 demolition of Cardiff. Moore should have come in and played the best system to suit the players we had for the remaining games to keep us up and changed the system after the summer rebuild. But he didn't and we went down. Whilst most of the damage was done, what little chance we had disappeared when he walked through the door.
    5 points
  19. Precisely. At the end of last season I was scared sheiteless that L2 was over the arisen. DM pretty much got shut of the deadwood and made a few decent signings, although doesn't appear to know his best 11 yet. Stop throwing silly points away and cut out the odd mistakes that cost and we're not going to be far away. Will DM be able to deliver this, I don't know and only time will tell. Too early to be calling for his head IMO
    5 points
  20. Beginning if the season we didn't concede for 5 games with Hunt, Iorfa, Hutch, Palmer in a back 4. Go back to that, (or as close as injuries will allow).
    5 points
  21. 1. We don't need one, we have 2 DMs and 2 fullbacks to pass to. Let them take the responsibility for moving it up the pitch. They're also one of the best partnerships in the league, Dunk in the air, Dom on the ground. 2. Looks like it's wingbacks all the way now, so that's Palmer out. Brown or Johnson, that's the choice. 3. Wing was involved in every attack yesterday, even playing from DM and cleaning up there. Him and Bannan, if they carry on like yesterday will be one of the best midfield pairings in the league. That was our best midfield performance all season. So yeah, none of that's going to happen, or really needed.
    5 points
  22. Pulis is still available, I suppose.
    5 points
  23. We have won 3 out of our last 5 with a draw in there. I would hardly constitute that as a crap run.
    5 points
  24. That's better
    5 points
  25. Lost 6 on a bounce with Cardiff, fans can’t stand him there. Team playing without effort or style. Cardiff squad isn’t bad, not sure how he’s getting it so wrong there.
    5 points
  26. This post is not a defence of Darren Moore but more a look at how times have changed. To any fan of my age, the mention of Jack Charlton is enough to make you go misty eyed. It was October 77 when he watched the Chesterfield game from the North Stand and decided to take over at 24th placed 3rd Division Sheffield Wednesday who, at the time, had been out of Division One for 7 years. It was such a coup to get him, and he goes down as one of our great managers. I thought I'd jump in to my Blue & White Time Machine to take a brief look back at that period from October 77 to May 80 when we won promotion. He took over a team which had finished 8th the previous season under Len Ashurst so to be bottom without a win until that Chesterfield game wasn't expected. Looking at Jack's first ten league games takes us to Boxing Day 77 when we lost 1-0 at Tranmere and were still bottom. Jack's record reads W2 D2 L6, so not much of a new manager bounce to start with. We also got knocked out 1-0 by non-league Wigan in the 2nd round of the Cup. Then something clicks, we only lose 3 more that season and finish a comfortable 14th. Jack's record reads W14 D11 L10. We win 10 of those games by the odd goal. 1978-79, our record after drawing at Chesterfield on Boxing Day is W5 D10 L6. We are 16th, harder to beat but not easy to watch. That winter is awful. We only play one league game between Boxing Day and mid February and lose at Plymouth. What we do have is the Arsenal Cup marathon where we grab the nation's attention by somehow managing to play above ourselves in taking the eventual Cup Winners to 5 games. Despite what we are being served up in the League, we keep the faith. A 2-1 home win over Gillingham in front of 8205 (ok not everyone kept the faith) moves us up to 18th. 3 wins from the last 4 games sees us finish 14th again. W13 D19 L14. What we do achieve is the signing of Terry Curran in March but we don't look nailed on Promotion Candidates for the following year. 1979-80. Big Jack has decided after almost 3 years that it is going to take a big goalkeeper, a big centre half and a big centre forward to get us out of Division 3. Nobody is arguing over Mike Pickering or Andy Mculloch, but Bob Bolder is contentious, particularly taking over from Chris Turner who was a fans favourite. On the Saturday of August Bank Holiday weekend we lose 3-0 at home to Blackburn and Bolder has a nightmare. Big Jack drops him in favour of another young keeper Brian Cox. After 12 games we are 5th. W4 D5 L3 which would have given us 17 points (so 2 less than we have at the same stage now). We have a bad November (by which time Bolder is back) and a 1-0 home defeat to Exeter leaves us 8th while the other side of the city are top. We seem in particular to have a complex playing at Hillsborough. We then of course have Boxing Day followed by a 1-0 home defeat to Plymouth. We start February in 8th place and then from somewhere we find form. 8 wins out of 9, 16 unbeaten until we lose at Bury. With Chesterfield breathing down our necks we have that terrific night at Blackburn and then even though we lose at Exeter we're up. It was never a given in those 3 years that we were going up. We were often tough and dour until we had the flash of brilliance from a T.C. or a Brian Hornsby. Yes, we were Sheffield Wednesday in the 3rd division and only 7 years (not 21) out of the top, but we nobody handed us anything. Jack just got on and managed. There were so many times, so many performances when you could have questioned him. But he was World Cup winning Jack, he'd won it all as a player and had a great track record as a Manager with Middlesborough (a bit like Pulis had a track record until he joined us). He'd been on Parkinson and talked about his little black book. If you didn't like his methods or his style then bugger you. You had no Owlstalk, no Twitter, no Praise or Grumble... you paid your money and hurled your cushion. You didn't dissect how articulate he was in pre or post match interviews because you didn't hear them. If Bert Mcgee had have annoyed him or he felt the fans were no longer with him he could have walked out to catch salmon or shoot grouse. That win at Blackburn in 1980, a slight tug on Drew Talbot's shirt in 2005, an Antonio injury time winner against Carlisle in 2012.... so much of what we have achieved over the years is fine margins. I have no idea if Darren Moore will succeed. We could sack him tomorrow and roll the dice again, keep on rolling the dice forever. 21 years away from the big time is way too long. I just can't help thinking whoever does succeeed will take a few more years to sort it out. Big Jack did.
    5 points
  27. Shows the gulf between our squad's individual quality and collective mentality. We can play better than pretty much any team in this league if we want but we can't sustain it and once we drop off we're so easy to score against.
    5 points
  28. Think your mate was spot on with his assessment of us Completely nailed it
    5 points
  29. Chansiri will imo end up messing us up even more than we are now. No trust in him whatsoever
    4 points
  30. Why change for the sake of it? We'd also be having the same conversation about whoever replaced him in 6 months too. We need to be patient with someone at some point and don't think Moore is as bad as is being made out, although I appreciate it's trendy to nitpick at everything he does at the moment. It takes time to build a team and also don't forget how long it takes Chansiri to appoint a manager! Let's hope we win tomorrow and can have a more upbeat debate going into the weekend.
    4 points
  31. Why oh why would anyone want Mick McCarthy after we’ve just had Jos, Monk, Bruce and Pulis?
    4 points
  32. Wouldn't a playoff place be 'on track' for us this season? After the absolute car crash of last season, the mass exodus of expensive signings, and having to recruit half a squad of freebies and loans, I'd take that. Many of us were genuinely concerned that we were about to plummet through this division at the start of the summer, so it seems odd to be turning out noses up at a playoff place.
    4 points
  33. We don't score anywhere near enough goals. We don't come back from being behind. We consistently find ways to throw away points. For those reasons it's unlikely we'll be troubling the top 4-5. We will do well to get close to 6th place but I feel we might be a bit lower than that.
    4 points
  34. 21 points from the next 11 games will still see us 6 points off promotion pace of averaging 2 points a game. We need to start putting regular winning runs of 3, 4, and 5 games together to have any chance of promotion. Wigan won 5 in a row before we beat them and have since had back to back wins. Wycombe have Won 4 in a row. Plymouth haven't lost in their last 8, winning 5. Sunderland have had a 3 wins in a row and back to back wins twice. Rotherham have Won 4 and drawn 1 in their last 5. If we carry on being inconsistent we'll just fall behind the required rate to a point probably half way through the season where a top 2 finish will be out of reach.
    4 points
  35. Need 27 points from 11 games to be back on track. 21 from 11 and that's a play off place.
    4 points
  36. I saw enough on Saturday to be hopeful. In our attacking and chance creating. Some pretty decent phases of play by Wednesday. When managers/players say 'we go again' it's for good reason. Otherwise what? Spend a week or two ruminating on mistakes, crucify the players, and generally get down into the negatives. Pointless. No success there. We go again because we go again. What's done is done.
    4 points
  37. I don't recall much complaining from folk on here when he was appointed. We can all play Captain Hindsight after the event.
    4 points
  38. So you've highlighted 3 issues with the personnel and only 1 of them can actually be fixed (term used loosely) by the players we have. Perhaps we should change the f*cking system to suit what we have.. what we signed to come in and do. We signed a bunch of wingers and have assembled the worlds greatest collection of "well they need someone next to them" strikers in league history. I'm sure whatever modern football coaching manual Moore is reading from wouldn't like it, but why don't we just give four-four-f*cking-two a go?
    4 points
  39. nope, had his day in the sun
    4 points
  40. 7th place with virtually a brand new team and he finds himself under more pressure than Monk ever did. The Wednesday managers job, the hardest job in football.
    4 points
  41. Not with a barge pole.
    4 points
  42. I've always liked McCarthy. That being said, it would feel similar to the Pulis appointment, i.e. a defensive manager whose powers may be on the wane.
    4 points
  43. Yes, you're naive. No, i'm not reading you wrong. The thread title insults a bloke who is doing his best for us. Personal insults like this lead on to suicides amongst some of us, not me I hasten to add, but some of us are susceptible to it. Saying the manager is falling short, not up to the job, we need to change him out, get a new bloke in, are part and parcel of the job, calling somebody a donkey really isn't. I really am surprised you can't see this, do you think things should stay as they are or should we start to try and change things a bit. I'm all for free speech by the way, I just think it needs tempering by a certain weight of responsibility on the people who are posting anonymously and the people who make excuses for them.
    4 points
  44. I dont believe there's a manager out there who could do much with these players, they are rubbish.
    3 points
  45. Said it on Saturday but that Wimbledon team was mostly made up of players in their early 20s, only 3 players over 25 got on the pitch for them. 2-0 up against a team of youngsters with 25 minutes left, our experienced players have to be able to see the game out even if we were unlucky not to get a third goal. Players, coaching staff, both… whoever’s to blame, chucking a lead away like that is píss poor
    3 points
  46. He sounds like a perfect fit for us. We could change managers but still keep the continuity.
    3 points
  47. I would take dingle mick in a flash. You won’t get capitulations like Saturday under him.
    3 points
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