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  1. 34 points
    Forget the request here it is...…….. To: John Mothersole, Julie Dore, cc Deputy CC Mark Roberts, Alan Billings, Lindsay Taylor, Secretary SWFC Dear John and Julie I am writing with regard to the prohibition notice which has been put on Sheffield Wednesday’s Hillsborough Stadium with regard to home fans exiting at the Leppings Lane End of the ground. I have had a number of emails now, some from constituents, some from residents in other parts of Sheffield, all of whom are Wednesday supporters and as their emails, which I am copying to you explain, many of them are regulars at the game and therefore see at first hand the crowd arrangements on a regular basis. There are a number of concerns that have been expressed. One is the inconvenience now which home fans are being put to, some of whom have to walk to the Kop End of the ground at Penistone Road then walk right back to Leppings Lane. That is obviously all right and very convenient for some more mobile younger people but not necessarily for people who may find that length of walk a challenge and little consideration appears to have been given to them in this process. Secondly, there is the whole issue about whether the prohibition is necessary at all. The emails say that people who go to the game on a regular basis see the arrangements and as far as they are concerned they operate perfectly smoothly and have done over many years without any significant problems. Why is it necessary therefore to bring these new arrangements in? The third issue is on what basis the prohibition order has been issues. Is it true that the only basis on which the police acted was the report that they requested from Aston University. If that is the case should not a bit more thorough research have been done before a decision of this magnitude was taken? It really is difficult to understand why one group of researchers unfamiliar with the ground doing one survey of one game should lead to this sort of action. Fourthly, in terms of the logistics of that end of the stadium, I think we can all appreciate it is not necessarily ideal. Could you explain how it is different to the Bramall Lane end of the Bramall Lane Ground where away supporters go but home supporters come out of the same end of the ground? The amount of room at the Bramall Lane end is just as constrained, in fact probably more constrained, than that on the concourse at Leppings Lane spreading across the road. Obviously that arrangement is restricted if coaches are drawn up across the concourse and what has been said by some individuals is that the only problems at Leppings Lane have occurred when the police have insisted on coaches coming that close. But I come back to the point surely the Bramall Lane end at Bramall Lane is just as congested and yet away fans come out in the same point as home fans at that ground. Finally, a contrast between the way that police have acted with the City Council following the complaints following the Derby game between Wednesday and United last season. There is a feeling that the police have acted in this way to cover their own inadequacies on the evening and there was widespread concern about the way the police handled it and I think the police have accepted some responsibility for that. Nevertheless, that has resulted in an investigation, a report being commissioned and immediate action taken despite the fact that the Club has said they do not believe that this is appropriate. I contrast this with the complaints that were made, and I certainly made them on behalf of people about this crushing that occurred outside Bramall Lane before the Derby last season with Wednesday. I have never had a proper response from the Council who have simply accepted that the Club said nothing needs to be done. There is therefore a distinct contrast between Wednesday saying there is no problem but the Council and the police deciding to take action, and United saying there was no problem and the police and the Council apparently just accepting it and no further investigation being carried out. Indeed, I have not had a reply from the Council’s Chief Executive to the last three emails I have sent giving more information about the concerns that were expressed to me on that occasion. I look forward to a reply as I am sure you understand that this is not just me raising these issues but the emails I have sent demonstrate the widespread concern and bemusement of many Wednesday supporters at the action that has been taken. Having just drafted this email I received further information from a long standing friend, John Colby, who is also a Sheffield United supporter. He is drawing attention to the problems outside the Bramall Lane End of the Ground with the lack of space and that here away and home supporters are let out of the same side of the ground exactly the problem which has been addressed with the prohibition order at Hillsborough. I do think these issues need to be looked at seriously. There is a very strong feeling that the police and the Council have got all this wrong, I got lots of comments at Preston last Saturday from Wednesday away supporters who go regularly, all of whom are saying essentially that the decision is a wrong one and needs looking at again. I look forward to your response on both the issues of the prohibition notice at Hillsborough and also the concerns I have raised about Bramall Lane in the past and are now being raised by John Colby which I have never had a proper response to. Yours sincerely Clive Betts MP Sheffield South East
  2. 20 points
    Isn't your original post based on Alan Biggs twitter post!!!??
  3. 17 points
    I'd actually be ok with Pulis as manager. Not my first choice by any means, but he's vastly experienced and knows the game inside out. There's no doubt he can handle the bigger characters who perhaps have too much influence in the dressing room (bannan, hutch, westy etc) and will give us proper leadership. Not got a pretty football style by all accounts but the all in the net is what matters. Not as if we've been blessed with flamenco rhythms for the past few years is it!!! If he was appointed, i would support 100% and actually be confident that he'll do well. To be honest, not too much different to what we got with Bruce in terms of leadership, experience and contacts in the game.
  4. 16 points
    Seen a few tweets knocking about on twitter of people calling Bullen all sorts. Some pretty nasty stuff. Why do fans feel the need to do it? It’s not just Bullen, last week it was Odubajo and the week before it was Fox. In fact, when a player has a poor game or things don’t go our way, a worrying proportion of our fan base take to Twitter and hurl abuse at players. Criticism is fine, it’s part and parcel of football and I imagine players and managers realise this. That’s some of the baggage that comes with being paid handsomely. But I will never understand personal insults. Calling Bullen a c*** for example. What’s the point? Bet those tweeting it would never say it to his face. Why would you call a bloke who’s given his all for the club as a player and a coach these things? Not for one minute do I think this is exclusive to Wednesday fans, but we have a worrying number with a lot of hate and anger inside them. Really makes me question our fanbase. People say we have great fans, but I don’t buy it anymore. Since the play-off final defeat to Huddersfield and the rise of the Blades we’ve been a humourless and at times embarrassing. We take good numbers away from home, but the atmosphere between fans is not what it used to be from my experience. In adversity we found a way to have a laugh, even when Nick Parker was on the court steps pleading for someone to buy us out. Now we just seem angry all the time. Social media is for sure to blame, gives the idiots a platform to direct their anger at others, without realising its a human being with feelings and families they’re abusing. Like I’ve said I’m sure this isn’t just Wednesdayites, but I will say this. As a fanbase a concerning number of us need to have a look at themselves.
  5. 15 points
    If you build it, they will come - Happy 120th Birthday to the wonderful Wednesday Ground, opened #OnThisDay, 2nd September 1899. #SWFC defeated @ChesterfieldFC 5-1 in that very first game with goals from Harry Millar 2, Archie Brash, Bob Ferrier @SpiksleyBook
  6. 15 points
    “Not understanding how football works”. How does football work then? Maybe you could enlighten him. Maybe you could get onto SAG & the council & SYP. Maybe you could contact the EFL & explain the disparity of parachute payments against FFP. Maybe following the totally unexpected departure of Bruce he should have made a snap decision the following day. Maybe he should have set on Heckingbottom when you lot were all screaming for him at the time (or any of the other no marks who had won 3 games on the trot & then faded from sight). I think Mr Chansiri understands football very well. He has learnt in no time at all that everyone has an opinion (usually made in hindsight & changed the second circumstances change). Everyone thinks they know how to run a business / Football club, when in reality they couldn’t run a whist drive. Everyone is a financial guru having never run anything more than a second hand Mondeo. You lot were writing him off re the FFP / embargo situation and he proved then, while you lot were wringing your hands & agreeing with certain Pod Casts that our best players would have to be sold to survive, that whilst he still isn’t perfect (who is?). He has more honour, loyalty & business acumen that most on here could only dream of. Doesn’t understand football? Oh I think he does!!
  7. 14 points
  8. 12 points
    I agree there a few issues at Hillsborough when we play certain teams however you coming on here giving us grief is a bit rich when you look at what goes off at your ground.
  9. 12 points
    Lets be clear about this. A good referee can stop it in the first 10 minutes of a game. 1. Don’t stop the game for every minor bit of physical contact. 2. Early booking for simulation 3. Play on when players down with ‘tactical injury’ 4. Trainer on quickly resulting in player leaving field of play for minor injury. 5. Delay re entry to field of play when miraculous recovery occurs. Saturday’s ref did none of this and was outrageously conned the longer the game went on. Thats not why we lost by the way
  10. 10 points
    I just wondered coz , let's be reight managers don't send their teams out to fanny about. I know that Bullen said he wanted us to go out and be quick and attacking and use overloads in the wide areas by getting the ball out wide to our full backs against their 3-5-2. There was a bit in the first half, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who saw it. QPR jad attacked down our right , it jad come to nowt and Westwood had the ball. Soon as he got it Fox and Palmer split wide and advanced both calling for the ball. Borner was pointing at Fox but Westwood took an age with it and Bullen was at the edge of his technical area going apoplectic pointing and waving his arms about that he wanted the ball thrown wide quickly. It was only about 30 seconds, but by that time QPR were all back in position. Borner did one of them frustrated open palm gestures to Westwood. Bullen was still screaming across and Westwood did one of them calm down gestures with his hands before picking the ball up. Then with QPR all slotted back into shape Hutchinson came back 20 yards behind Iorfa and Borner to collect it. Bullen turned back to the bench with a face like absolute thunder. Now before anyone starts this ain't an anti Westwood thread or owt. He is (and always has been since he came here) our best keeper. He should always start IMO. My point is, if players aren't doing what the gaffer wants then he's on a hiding to nothing. No matter what he's trying to do. Mebbe it's coz they know him and know there's nowt he can really do about it. I know there's a lot of talk about them kids at Lincoln or whatever but can they deal with big personalities in the dressing room. Internationals. Millionaires etc. I know that shunt make a difference. But it can. I think whoever comes in , whatever their tactics or what have you needs to be someone who's going to be a proper gaffer. Get thst respect. Not sure if there's anyone out there. And I'm not slagging Bullen off here. I don't think a caretaker whoever it is can get that sort of respect because the lads know he might be going back to being the coach again soon. Bit like at school when you had a stand in teacher and took the piśs knowing he wouldn't be there next week. I don't know who I want to get the job. They could all do great or do crap. Nobdy knows really. But this caretaker thing I don't think can go on. It ain't good for the team. It's certainly no good for Bullen I think he's been hungout to dry in no man's land taking the blame for everyhing. (I k ow the tactics were down to him, but that performance was about far more than 352, 442, whatever) there was no cohesiveness and they played the exact opposite of what he said he wanted in the pre match that's application and attitude in my opinion. Not saying I want him to get the job full time by the way. Not a fan boy. But I think he's been let down by everyone really. Owner and players. Think he's being used a buffer by the chairman And a fall guy by the players
  11. 9 points
    Absolutely superb letter. There were 2 police filming at the end of the QPR game on Penistone Road. I politely said to them "tell your bosses they've got this all wrong, they're creating a problem where one doesnt exist". One of them replied "Come here and I'll explain it to you ". They are simply not interested in the views of thousands of law abiding citizens who have attended hundreds of matches each (many with crowds double that of Saturday) without a problem. I am the last person in the world to give any credence whatsoever to conspiracy theories but this is so counter intuitive there must be some agenda. You would think SYP would show a little humility after failing to protect Rotherham girls, the disaster and hounding Cliff Richard without any evidence, but No, they are as arrogant as ever. Football fans must be the last group in the country who can be treated this way without an outcry.
  12. 9 points
    OBrien at CF is causing them all sorts of problems with his running
  13. 9 points
    It's a game full of rats and spivs. Gentlemanly conduct doesn't get you far. Roger them, because they'll Roger you.
  14. 8 points
    To: John Mothersole, Julie Dore, cc Deputy CC Mark Roberts, Alan Billings, Lindsay Taylor, Secretary SWFC Dear John and Julie I am writing with regard to the prohibition notice which has been put on Sheffield Wednesday’s Hillsborough Stadium with regard to home fans exiting at the Leppings Lane End of the ground. I have had a number of emails now, some from constituents, some from residents in other parts of Sheffield, all of whom are Wednesday supporters and as their emails, which I am copying to you explain, many of them are regulars at the game and therefore see at first hand the crowd arrangements on a regular basis. There are a number of concerns that have been expressed. One is the inconvenience now which home fans are being put to, some of whom have to walk to the Kop End of the ground at Penistone Road then walk right back to Leppings Lane. That is obviously all right and very convenient for some more mobile younger people but not necessarily for people who may find that length of walk a challenge and little consideration appears to have been given to them in this process. Secondly, there is the whole issue about whether the prohibition is necessary at all. The emails say that people who go to the game on a regular basis see the arrangements and as far as they are concerned they operate perfectly smoothly and have done over many years without any significant problems. Why is it necessary therefore to bring these new arrangements in? The third issue is on what basis the prohibition order has been issues. Is it true that the only basis on which the police acted was the report that they requested from Aston University. If that is the case should not a bit more thorough research have been done before a decision of this magnitude was taken? It really is difficult to understand why one group of researchers unfamiliar with the ground doing one survey of one game should lead to this sort of action. Fourthly, in terms of the logistics of that end of the stadium, I think we can all appreciate it is not necessarily ideal. Could you explain how it is different to the Bramall Lane end of the Bramall Lane Ground where away supporters go but home supporters come out of the same end of the ground? The amount of room at the Bramall Lane end is just as constrained, in fact probably more constrained, than that on the concourse at Leppings Lane spreading across the road. Obviously that arrangement is restricted if coaches are drawn up across the concourse and what has been said by some individuals is that the only problems at Leppings Lane have occurred when the police have insisted on coaches coming that close. But I come back to the point surely the Bramall Lane end at Bramall Lane is just as congested and yet away fans come out in the same point as home fans at that ground. Finally, a contrast between the way that police have acted with the City Council following the complaints following the Derby game between Wednesday and United last season. There is a feeling that the police have acted in this way to cover their own inadequacies on the evening and there was widespread concern about the way the police handled it and I think the police have accepted some responsibility for that. Nevertheless, that has resulted in an investigation, a report being commissioned and immediate action taken despite the fact that the Club has said they do not believe that this is appropriate. I contrast this with the complaints that were made, and I certainly made them on behalf of people about this crushing that occurred outside Bramall Lane before the Derby last season with Wednesday. I have never had a proper response from the Council who have simply accepted that the Club said nothing needs to be done. There is therefore a distinct contrast between Wednesday saying there is no problem but the Council and the police deciding to take action, and United saying there was no problem and the police and the Council apparently just accepting it and no further investigation being carried out. Indeed, I have not had a reply from the Council’s Chief Executive to the last three emails I have sent giving more information about the concerns that were expressed to me on that occasion. I look forward to a reply as I am sure you understand that this is not just me raising these issues but the emails I have sent demonstrate the widespread concern and bemusement of many Wednesday supporters at the action that has been taken. Having just drafted this email I received further information from a long standing friend, John Colby, who is also a Sheffield United supporter. He is drawing attention to the problems outside the Bramall Lane End of the Ground with the lack of space and that here away and home supporters are let out of the same side of the ground exactly the problem which has been addressed with the prohibition order at Hillsborough. I do think these issues need to be looked at seriously. There is a very strong feeling that the police and the Council have got all this wrong, I got lots of comments at Preston last Saturday from Wednesday away supporters who go regularly, all of whom are saying essentially that the decision is a wrong one and needs looking at again. I look forward to your response on both the issues of the prohibition notice at Hillsborough and also the concerns I have raised about Bramall Lane in the past and are now being raised by John Colby which I have never had a proper response to. Yours sincerely Clive Betts MP Sheffield South East
  15. 8 points
  16. 8 points
    Brilliant from OBrien sets up Hughes for number 4
  17. 8 points
    Wasn’t Wilder a league 1 manager? He’s now in the premiership and premiership players seem to be listening to him. What evidence do you have that championship players wouldn’t listen to Cowley? Surely it’s down to the personality rather than where a manager may have been previously?
  18. 7 points
    Seems to be the aim of a few teams that come here. It’s like, the bigger the ground, the more acceptable it is to roll around wasting time - which gets the crowd riled up. I think teams work on it more than they do their actual ‘football’ tactics. Ps - I hope QPR get relegated.
  19. 7 points
    If a Manager comes in and the players wont play for him ,Get rid of the players involved ,Its a football club not an holiday camp.
  20. 7 points
    Just glad to see him back mate.
  21. 7 points
    If Westwood doesn't do what the coach tells him to do then the coach should have him in the office and tell him why he wants him to play that way. If he refuses or just doesn't do as asked he needs dropping. Same with any player, nobody should be bigger than the club. The managers job is on the line, these days a few bad results and the manager gets his cards. Players have to respect the manager for it to work. Maybe Bullen is too close to the players, maybe he doesn't have their respect, maybe he's not got the strength of character. It's always a problem when one of the lads gets promoted over his mates, Been there, done that. The relationship has to change. You can't stay their mate and have authority. It's a difficult line to walk.
  22. 7 points
    He's a dinosaur - and not very pleasant one either. His appointment might seem quite appealing until you're into about the 15th game of his reign and you line up with four centre halves & four defensive midfielders at home. And he'll leave behind a very one dimensional squad only capable of playing his god awful brand of football. Football is primarily a results based business, I understand that, but there is more to it than witnessing his soulless, turgid brand of football every week.
  23. 7 points
    Hindsight again. Amazing how no one would have spent any money on taking over!!! Remember all the jibes at ‘tight fisted’ Mandaric and the 350k jokes and the sniping because he WOULDN’T spend any money. DC gives it a go, nearly pulls it off against all the odds. “We’re on our way, we’re on our way”. Assume you weren’t singing that at the time at Wembley. I suppose you were holding a one man campaign about the folly of spending to achieve promotion. Everyone’s a genius in hindsight. Also would you not agree that the DC then isn’t the DC now. Yeah, no one disputes there were mistakes (but for the right reasons), but he has proven time & again that he has been able to pull rabbits out of the hat when all the experts said it was impossible. Soon as we lose a couple of games the anti DC mob reappear. Not sure what people expect to be honest.
  24. 7 points
    Rolling about on the floor is not tactical nous, even kids can do that. It's about time the FA got refs to book players for their amateur dramatics. It's pathetic and needs putting an end to.
  25. 7 points
  26. 7 points
    Can't you go 90 minutes without eating crap overpriced food? You got the worms?
  27. 6 points
  28. 6 points
    Try going to united as an away fan. Puts Hillsborough in the shade.
  29. 6 points
    I just get the bad feeling DC will do nothing .
  30. 6 points
    Yeah I mean what could go wrong, just ask Middlesbo...
  31. 6 points
    I can’t remember being as positive about the start of a season for years as I was this one, a manager with a great record of promotions from the Championship (the best in fact), positions where we were weak addressed in the transfer window (albeit under a soft embargo), a fitness coach, heads of recruitment – everything dropping into place, could that with some decent pre-season performances and optimism was rightly high. Then the NUFC rumours emerged, surely Bruce won’t leave to go to that toxic empire, he will and he did!!! My main thought then was get a manager in quickly, keep the momentum and run with it (Hughton would have been a great fit), despite rumours and counter rumours we go into the season with a caretaker in charge. Add to this the SAG furore (I still suspect a conspiracy in all this), some woeful recent performances, fans fighting amongst themselves and now the stewarding issues and the whole thing has turned really toxic in the space of a few weeks. For once we have an international break that is actually welcome, lets hope DC uses the time to make a definitive decision on the managerial role as at the moment we are definitely looking down rather than up.
  32. 6 points
    Do we have two firms employing stewards? Certainly the turnstiles seem overmanned, BUT we must remember there are cretins who will try to take smoke bombs etc as well as people who are intent on 'terrorist; type activities. Security has been tightened everywhere, and not just for our safety Many stewards, however, do let a little power go to their heads, and don't forget they are ordinary folk like you and me. There is a second opinion about some stewards, so don't tar all with the same brush. Take my own case, and please hear me out! I am a 79 y-o, just starting my 73rd season I walk with 2 sticks and difficulty.I love to sit in my own seat, Row Z, between aisles 8 & 9 To reach this seat, I have to walk from Penistone Road to Gate J, from where I have to negotiate 2 flights of steps, 28 steps in total,before arriving on the South concourse. I then have a further 9 steps to get to the passage that runs between Row Z and Row AA. On Saturday, I approached the temporary ticket office, and stayed for a blow. I was immediately approached by 2 stewards, who asked if i wanted assistance. I was escorted to a lift, taken up into the Club Foyer, gave my details to a very kind gentleman, who gave me the contact details for a lift pass, then escorted me directly ontto the concourse. 'Come out this way and we will arrange for you to exit' I was told. On climbing the short way from the concourse to the stand, the steward there, helped me to my seat without my asking. On exit, I was met by the same Gentleman who took me out into the club foyer, where I was told not only would the club contact me, but that I could enter the same way next match,, and that I could even bring a Carer with me. I have found that most of the SWFC stewards , if properly approached, are very helpful. Often one gets what one deserves. Treat people with respect, and usually they will respond in a like manner
  33. 6 points
  34. 5 points
    I have had a season ticket for the past few years. I was always gonna renew this year, and was full of optimism with Bruce at the helm. Then we all know what happened. We have 2 weeks until the next match, and DC must know we are going nowhere with Bullen in charge. He MUST bring in a manager during the international break, or our season will fade to nothing (as it has for the last 2 seasons). DC has limited his options, by saying he will not approach a manager who is currently in work. It didn't stop Newcastle, and I think he needs to stop being Mr Nice Guy. By changing his approach he may not make many friends within the game, but hopefully can appoint a manager capable of gaining us promotion. Please DC just do what you have to do, to get a top manager. Start being more ruthless for the good of the club & don't worry about who you upset, as long as you get your man.
  35. 5 points
    That will probably be for both sets of fans combined.
  36. 5 points
    Great work by OBrien sets up Waldock 2-1
  37. 5 points
    People actually buying the excuse that he thinks it's unfair to take an in-work manager? He just doesn't want to pay compensation. Where has this ridiculous idea come from that taking an in-work manager is so wrong anyway? There's nothing wrong with it if you go about it in a fair and acceptable way. Why is it any different to approaching a club for one of their players? The Bruce saga only left a bitter taste because of the way him and Ashley conducted the move. If we want to approach Danny Cowley or someone like that there is nothing wrong with us starting a communication with his club and asking if they would allow us to speak with him.
  38. 5 points
    Whoever comes in , I think it will need someone with a big personality to deal with the big hitters in the dressing room.
  39. 5 points
    I've gone past caring who the manager is and what style of football we play bottom line is I just want to see us win games and challenge for promotion Warnock has never played free flowing football but always has his teams challenging. We need to ask ourselves do we want tippy tappy easy on the eye football and finish mid table or do we sacrifice that for a more archaic form of football and finish top 6. From what I've seen so far we don't have the resource to do both I've watched 3 awful performances from Wednesday in the last week. there seemed to be no leadership or organisation from either the sidelines or from the pitch. by the end of each game I couldn't really tell what formation we were playing in any of the games and what the plan was. We don't seem to have a plan A never mind a plan B Pulis wouldn't be my first choice but we cannot afford to mess around any longer. We need an experienced hand in to direct the team and more importantly the club in general. If this figurehead has to Pulis then so be it but please Mr Chansiri stop messing around
  40. 5 points
    It isn't just this site, either, but society in general.
  41. 5 points
    Down the years, how many times have I watched a side managed by Pulis? Must be about 40 or 50 - more-or-less a season's worth of games. I absolutely don't want Pulis as manager under any circumstances. I support Wednesday and no other club, but I also actually quite like football, and what Pulis gets his sides playing is not something I'm prepared to watch regularly.
  42. 5 points
    what makes you think Chansiri is even aware that there is a problem?
  43. 5 points
    It’s not hindsight to willingly choose to ignore the rules and overspend on the ffp limits. You’d think this amazing businessman would be able to balance a check book.
  44. 5 points
    This explains it perfectly, shows the opposites preparing to play us and sums up modern football
  45. 5 points
    Totally agree Rob. We're lucky to have him here. He's learned from every obstacle and problem that's come his way. He just has to make a decision on the managerial situation and we need to back him with whoever he picks.
  46. 5 points
    The problem Cowley will have is the same one that Nathan Jones has and the bloke at Ipswich had last season. They might motivate league 1 players but none of the Championship players will listen to him. We know this from our own history with Danny Wilson. It just wont work.
  47. 5 points
    Agree with this, when Bruce walked out we HAD to treat it as a positive and get in someone “better” to keep momentum and positivity at the club. What we’ve done by keeping Bullen as caretaker in charge so long is like we’re cowering in the corner and scared to get up again. Unfortunately it’s another example of our owner being nice but not understanding of how football works
  48. 5 points
    If our shortlist really does consist of Bullen, Pulis and Cowley, I can't say it fills me with joy.
  49. 4 points
    Yes, Pulis would not be my first choice either. But witnessing some of the recent abject performances under Bullen I would now welcome Tony Pulis. This Caretaker nonsense needs to end now during this international break.
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