@owlstalk Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 These two players properly dividing opinion at the moment. What do you think of these two? Good enough to be regulars to help secure a promotion? Good enough after that to play Premiership? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flo Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Mcgugen definitely no Reach probably yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OohAahGuyWhittingham Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 no and no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 If you could merge the two it would be a hell of a player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 On natural ability mcgugan yes and reach no. Reach definitely does a job in our system though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest domSWFC Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I think both of definitely good enough for this level. McGugan can be class at this level. But only when he's the star man. Does well, the team strengthens and he stops pulling his weight. Seen it all his career, he needs to be the main man. But he's not good enough to be that here anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coreyswfc Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Reach seems like a decent player, but not worth 5m with add-ons. I think Boro had our pants down a bit. Mcgugan seems to get a contract and then flops at every club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersiggi Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Mcgugan has been unlucky at Wednesday. I think the guy averages a goal every 5 games over his career from midfield yet can't get a look with us when we're crying out for something a bit different. People have him down as trouble but he was at Forest for 6 years before he left and they wanted him back when he left Watford for us. Doesn't sound like they thought was trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silkstone Owl Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, Bluesteel said: If you could merge the two it would be a hell of a player Reachmcgugan sounds dirty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauchief Owl Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 If McGugan was good enough to play in the PL he would be gone now as his wages would be peanuts to them. (I've just read that Liverpool want to move Sakho on for £20 million and his current wages are 105 K per week, for example). I think he could do a job for us in this division, however. Reach has yet to convince me that he is worth anything like the money we paid out for him (the equivalent in fees for both Hourihane and Lansbury for example, and possibly Winnall as well). He is not a LB that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Carlos thinks McGugan doesn't fit our style of play Carlos thinks Reach is doing a very good job I trust the opinion of Carlos over all the Football Manager's on here Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Who's to say Carlos isn't gviving Reach a specific roll that prevents him expressing himself in an attacking sense? He said this was the case with Wallace recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Doubt either of them are good enough for the Prem, but which players at the club are?..not many, in fact I'd go as far as to say Westwood, FF, Hutch...and maybe Lees or Lee McGugan was the star when he first arrived, now we assume its his "attitude" thats keeping him out, without actually knowing much. He's not had a chance really has he?, thats why we all presume its his "attitude"..and Carlos gets more right than wrong. Reach is lumbered with the 5 mill price tag so we expect so much more, but thats hardly his fault, and its looking likely he's going to become the whipping boy should it all go t*ts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.. Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 28 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Good enough to be regulars to help secure a promotion? No, yes. 28 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Good enough after that to play Premiership? No, possibly. Hope that helps :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl999 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Both yes, can't help that we over paid for Reach to try and grease the wheels with a loan deal for Rhodes in August which faltered over the percentage of his wage we'd pay . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 29 minutes ago, supersiggi said: Mcgugan has been unlucky at Wednesday. I think the guy averages a goal every 5 games over his career from midfield yet can't get a look with us when we're crying out for something a bit different. People have him down as trouble but he was at Forest for 6 years before he left and they wanted him back when he left Watford for us. Doesn't sound like they thought was trouble. Now's their chance then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Owl Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I ain't got a problem with Reach who looks a good buy from where I'm sat. Not sure if he'll make premiership quality only time will tell. As for Mcgugan ok there's lots of guessing and presuming going on so lets judge him on what we've seen. As far as quality's concerned he oozes it. My worries are he never seems to put tje workrate in. On the few occasions we've seen him he wonders in and out the game. When he's in the game he's brilliant when he's not he disappears and there's a lack of chasing back and putting himself about and thats the reason he will never make the prem let alone set the championship on fire. If he had Hutch's workrate he would be a world beater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Shutt is God Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Early days for Reach. He has been OK but not spectacular, the amount we paid for him is making some fans expect him to be a world beater immediately when obviously it doesn't always work like that. Looked decent at times but not set the world on fire. McGugan gets better each week he doesn't play in some fans eyes. Was excellent when on loan playing on a ploughed field in a team of poor quality where he was the standout player but doesn't fit in with the team ethos now. It's perhaps no surprise as he seems to have been frozen out at every club he has played for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I know Lewis is happy to collect a wage and not play. That tells you everything you need to know. Jury out on Reach, see what happens by the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglejay Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Big Jack said: I know Lewis is happy to collect a wage and not play. That tells you everything you need to know. Jury out on Reach, see what happens by the end of the season. It doesn't really though does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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