Guest ka58 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Ronnie Starling said: Lee isn't as good as some seem to think. I know he has chipped in with odd goal here and there but it's a position where we need much better. The example showed by Hutch when he drove the team forward in the first half passed to Lee in the box who couldn't play a first time pass back and was caught in possession. Lee is to my mind the best player we have and should certainly be in at least the top 4 of anyone's I'd say. You can't use one example of a misplaced pass to form a view on a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 7 minutes ago, whyte_owl said: Exceptional? He's everything that's wrong with this team. We end up playing 2 better footballers out of position in Reach and Bannan. The midfield at Newcastle was the best I've seen all season. He's usually everything that's good about the team....committed, skilful, intelligent, attacking instincts. That's not to say if we can find better we shouldn't drop him - we're an upper third Championship team so there's plenty of room for improvement. I was hoping Abdi was the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whyte_owl Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kameron said: When was the last time Lee played really well? He scored against Forest, so you could give him that one, although it was 3 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 hours ago, hatcheeks said: he is a great player for us no doubt but I don't think he is undroppable as some seem to suggest, especially CC I'd say he's more undroppable than Bannan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whyte_owl Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 minute ago, ka58 said: Lee is to my mind the best player we have and should certainly be in at least the top 4 of anyone's I'd say. You can't use one example of a misplaced pass to form a view on a player. What in your mind makes him better than Hutch, who is actually our best player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, whyte_owl said: What in your mind makes him better than Hutch, who is actually our best player? I'd say that Hutch and Lee should be our midfield two and drop Bannan. It may mean we play a little differently which isn't a bad thing right now. I can't think of a two better players with energy to drive our team forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Bannan & Lee just get overwhelmed when they play together. they lack the physic to stamp their authority on games. IMO Bannan should play deeper, but Hutch is now in that position because CC doesn't trust his back four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, Animis said: Bannan & Lee just get overwhelmed when they play together. they lack the physic to stamp their authority on games. IMO Bannan should play deeper, but Hutch is now in that position because CC doesn't trust his back four. I'd say it's more to do with question marks over the full backs than the CBs that Hutchinson is now playing deeper in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkenyonqfc2 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, whyte_owl said: What in your mind makes him better than Hutch, who is actually our best player? different types of player and both good at what they do Hutch and Lee when fit would be my midfield everyday of the week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, whyte_owl said: What in your mind makes him better than Hutch, who is actually our best player? Its all about opinions as I said. I would also have Hutchison in the top 4 I mentioned along with lees and forestieri. Lee keeps the ball superbly, covers a massive amount of ground and is able to score now and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) We should go for Lansbury. Hutchinson and Lansbury would be immense alongside one another. Could have pacy wingers as well if we brought in Sako or play one of our other midfielders alongside them both in a solid but attacking 4-3-3. We should've went for a Guedioura or Diame type in the summer and brought in some pace. Lansbury is about as ideal a fit alongside Hutchinson that's available as is Sako for the pacy winger but need a pacy striker or someone that can finish upfront too. A Tammy Abraham type would be ideal. Despite making a mess of the summer window and despite losing our attacking threat from last season, we're still solid, hard to beat and doing slightly better than last season. Edited January 2, 2017 by Milan Missing Marble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 13 minutes ago, ka58 said: Lee is to my mind the best player we have and should certainly be in at least the top 4 of anyone's I'd say. You can't use one example of a misplaced pass to form a view on a player. It seems we can't use examples to point out the weaknesses of Lee even though that was being used to highlight a strength of Hutch that Lee doesn't have. Lee is nowhere near our best player though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ronnie Starling said: It seems we can't use examples to point out the weaknesses of Lee even though that was being used to highlight a strength of Hutch that Lee doesn't have. Lee is nowhere near our best player though. I don't really get what you mean but the example the earlier poster gave was of a misplaced pass by lee when that is very much a rarity. his retention of the ball is generally excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, ka58 said: I don't really get what you mean but the example the earlier poster gave was of a misplaced pass by lee when that is very much a rarity. his retention of the ball is generally excellent. His decision making is poor at times. How many times has he got into the box and just needed to pull the trigger when instead he has looked for a pass instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ronnie Starling said: His decision making is poor at times. How many times has he got into the box and just needed to pull the trigger when instead he has looked for a pass instead? Granted but he's also stuck a few in as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyOwl Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Feel people's views on Lee have been skewed by the poor performance he had today. The injury seemed to be really hampering his mobility. When fully fit, which hasn't been for a while, he often carries the team and is centre to lots of the link up play. Of course we could buy another combative midfielder to play alongside hutch and invest in some pacy wingers but who honestly sees Carlos going down this route? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 minute ago, MightyOwl said: Feel people's views on Lee have been skewed by the poor performance he had today. The injury seemed to be really hampering his mobility. When fully fit, which hasn't been for a while, he often carries the team and is centre to lots of the link up play. Of course we could buy another combative midfielder to play alongside hutch and invest in some pacy wingers but who honestly sees Carlos going down this route? Exactly. Stupid to judge him on performances where he has been carrying an injury. He's normally My Consistent. Everyone knows that...Well, nearly everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kameron Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Beholder said: Exactly. Stupid to judge him on performances where he has been carrying an injury. He's normally My Consistent. Everyone knows that...Well, nearly everyone. I'll give you that, he's certainly consistent, consistently average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 He has been bang average this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeroswfc Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Kieran Lee's been one of best players this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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