prowl Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Is Kean injured? When he signed there was mention that he'd been persuaded to sign by Rhodes because of the chances he would get to play. Maybe it was all guff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncOwl Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Hmmm a couple of good results on the trot. How can I have a dig? I know... why didn't we sign 7 international goalkeepers this summer, just in case like 6 of them get injured?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 6 hours ago, Mick De Lyons said: We have four keepers at the club, yet Westwood was preferred to start the game last night, despite having a back injury !! Apparently, he hobbled into training yesterday, though this obviously can't be verified at all. But what is an injured keeper doing starting the game ? Carlos was only saying the other day in an interview that he only wanted to play players against Cardiff that were 100% fit, yet here he is playing a Westwood who clearly wasn't 100% fit at all. So it makes me wonder as to the confidence levels he has in the other keepers. I know Wildsmith is out with an injury to a finger, but you still have Kean and Dawson who could start games. I have aired my views on this matter before and i personally think that we should have signed a keeper to push Westwood for his place, but also as a back up for when his is injured. At the moment, Westwood's place in the side is guaranteed unless he isn't fit, which isn't an ideal state of affairs. If he is unfit, we have two very young and inexperienced keepers to replace him, because it seems that Kean is just there to make up the numbers, despite having more than 100 league games under his belt. So, it seems to me that Carlos isn't particularly confident in the other keepers that are available to play, if he is willing to push an unfit Westwood onto the field of play, totally contradicting his policy and thought process regarding not playing players who aren't 100% fit or rested for games. Thoughts ? Hang on first of all you're saying it couldn't be verified that he was injured. Then in the very next sentence you're stating he was injured. So was he injured or not? Dawson seems to have the confidence of Carlos or he wouldn't put him in front of an experienced keeper. Think you're looking for conspiracies which are simply not there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 17 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: All keepers have gone soft. Back in the day the played with a broken neck and just got on with it. Well, I can think of one, who else was there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 5 hours ago, Mick De Lyons said: Its quite simple actually. If you view any piece from a mobile, written on a laptop, the paragraph or patagraphs seem longer. Its not hard to grasp unless you don't want to. I didn't know this was a website for English teachers pontificating about grammar. I thought it was a Sheff Wed website where debate took place on all issues regarding Wednesday. Silly me....lol I'll debate you on the issue of paragraphs written on a laptop. Why can't you simply press the Return Key to create a new line thus creating a new paragraph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 i believe we can sign a loan keeper ,carlos so far chooses not to do that so makes you think he has confidence in dawson .he'll see him every day in training and get reports from andy rhodes and yet people who have only seen him for half game( where he did nothing wrong) have written him off as not good enough ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kagoshimaowl Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Surely Kean should play on Saturday if Westwood is injured. Every time the ball goes near Dawson, it scares me to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick De Lyons Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Holmes said: Hang on first of all you're saying it couldn't be verified that he was injured. Then in the very next sentence you're stating he was injured. So was he injured or not? Dawson seems to have the confidence of Carlos or he wouldn't put him in front of an experienced keeper. Think you're looking for conspiracies which are simply not there. You seem to be confused mate. It was obvious that he was injured because Carlos said he had a back problem. My comment about it not being verified, was with regards to finding out if he was injured a day before the game, ie " the reports " i mentioned or whether it was in the warm up for the match. That is two seperate scenarios, knowing your keeper is injured a day before the game amd finding that information out a few minutes before kick off. Ive no need to look for " conspiracies " lol, its not politics, its a debate about a football topic. Re Dawson, it makes a huge difference if he knew Westwood was injured 24 hours before a game or a few minutes before a game. The former would suggest having little confidence in Dawson. I thinl you're looking for angles that aren't there lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sternlad Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Tricky people goalies, an earlier poster said only hand/arm injuries should stop them playing...but it's a lot more than that isn't it? Not only do they take all the injury risks that outfield players take ( hamstrings, calf muscles etc) but have the added "bonus" of all the gymnastic injuries which could occur ( back, shoulder, side strain etc). You have to appreciate that they are using every body part and muscle to the max as their position on the pitch demands and they are the last line of defence which in itself calls for maximum commitment. It's a highly specialised position on the pitch and I'm surprised more goalies aren't injured more often to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash60s Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 goalies union ? hope that sentence wasn't too long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan™ Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I thought this thread was going to be about how we've got so many keepers at the club full of confidence now, with Westwood proven at this level, Wildsmith putting in some good performances last season and now Dawson stepping up to the plate when called upon. Wasn't expecting this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick De Lyons Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 5 hours ago, DuncOwl said: Hmmm a couple of good results on the trot. How can I have a dig? I know... why didn't we sign 7 international goalkeepers this summer, just in case like 6 of them get injured?!? That's your mindset....not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick De Lyons Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Holmes said: I'll debate you on the issue of paragraphs written on a laptop. Why can't you simply press the Return Key to create a new line thus creating a new paragraph? Ive already explained this, i'm not going to waste time on it. Just debate the theme of the post itself. You're commenting on a website where its common place for people not to use correct grammar, miss spell words, use a lack of comma's and even full stops lol. I bet you're a happy smiley sort of guy aren't you fella lol. Edited October 21, 2016 by Mick De Lyons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick De Lyons Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, torryowl said: i believe we can sign a loan keeper ,carlos so far chooses not to do that so makes you think he has confidence in dawson .he'll see him every day in training and get reports from andy rhodes and yet people who have only seen him for half game( where he did nothing wrong) have written him off as not good enough ....... Ive already explained that in the OP. Edited October 21, 2016 by Mick De Lyons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick De Lyons Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Dan™ said: I thought this thread was going to be about how we've got so many keepers at the club full of confidence now, with Westwood proven at this level, Wildsmith putting in some good performances last season and now Dawson stepping up to the plate when called upon. Wasn't expecting this. Life's full of surprises.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 5 hours ago, Mick De Lyons said: You seem to be confused mate. It was obvious that he was injured because Carlos said he had a back problem. My comment about it not being verified, was with regards to finding out if he was injured a day before the game, ie " the reports " i mentioned or whether it was in the warm up for the match. That is two seperate scenarios, knowing your keeper is injured a day before the game amd finding that information out a few minutes before kick off. Ive no need to look for " conspiracies " lol, its not politics, its a debate about a football topic. Re Dawson, it makes a huge difference if he knew Westwood was injured 24 hours before a game or a few minutes before a game. The former would suggest having little confidence in Dawson. I thinl you're looking for angles that aren't there lol. Westwood was fit when he walked on the pitch. Dawson is on the bench ahead of Keane due to his ability. Keep it simple. Instead for ever jumping to ill considered views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick De Lyons Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Holmes said: Westwood was fit when he walked on the pitch. Dawson is on the bench ahead of Keane due to his ability. Keep it simple. Instead for ever jumping to ill considered views. Its an " ill considered view " in your opinion. I think its a simple case of you not being able to say " ok mate, i now understand where you were coming from ", because whatever i say, you have another angle. I am keeping it " simple " lol, that's your problem if you think its complex. Also, you've absolutely no idea at all that Westwood was fit when he walked on the pitch. All Carlos said was that he had a back problem and he'd had it before the game, hence my mentioning whether that was 24 hours or 24 minutes before the game. Its not a particularly nuianced debate, so you should be able to follow it and i'll express myself as i wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 5 hours ago, Mick De Lyons said: Ive already explained that in the OP. excuse me for being a bit slow but what have you explained in relation to my post ...... i cant see anythng about loaning a keeper and the rest of it just seems to be something you have an opinion on ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 52 minutes ago, Mick De Lyons said: Its an " ill considered view " in your opinion. I think its a simple case of you not being able to say " ok mate, i now understand where you were coming from ", because whatever i say, you have another angle. I am keeping it " simple " lol, that's your problem if you think its complex. Also, you've absolutely no idea at all that Westwood was fit when he walked on the pitch. All Carlos said was that he had a back problem and he'd had it before the game, hence my mentioning whether that was 24 hours or 24 minutes before the game. Its not a particularly nuianced debate, so you should be able to follow it and i'll express myself as i wish. You might as well write for the Sun, just make it up as you go along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkstar Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 11 hours ago, torryowl said: i believe we can sign a loan keeper ,carlos so far chooses not to do that so makes you think he has confidence in dawson .he'll see him every day in training and get reports from andy rhodes and yet people who have only seen him for half game( where he did nothing wrong) have written him off as not good enough ....... We can only sign a goalkeeper outside the window on an emergency 7 day loan and then only if we dont have a senior goalkeeper available. Senior is defined as having made 5 or more first team appearances (presumably not justfor us). Based on that all 4 of our keepers would be classed as senior so unless theyre all injured we cant get anyone else in until january by which time Wildsmith will be fit again so its a non argument really. I agree Torry, cant see a problem with using Dawson to cover, hes repesented England at 18s & 19s. Hes in the same position as Wildsmith was last year and so far i dont think hes given any cause for concern in his performances. Maybe we should be pleased that the keepers the club are bringing through are of a consistently good enough standard to play for their country and make our first team squad rather than bemoan the fact. I thinks its a positive that Carlos is showing faith in his young keepers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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