gurujuan Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 6 hours ago, doubleo said: The competition for a midfield shirt is frightening. When Abdi's opportunity comes, and I'm sure it will with injuries, suspensions and our terrific run in the Cup, he's got to grab it. It is, on paper, but for all this creativity we have in the squad, we don't score many goals? Is that because those players aren't doing their job, or are the strikers not prolific enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 58 minutes ago, gurujuan said: It is, on paper, but for all this creativity we have in the squad, we don't score many goals? Is that because those players aren't doing their job, or are the strikers not prolific enough? we dont concede many either ,,,,,i put it down to being defensively attacking , sounds daft but we keep the the ball without creating to much but while we have it the other buggers cant score . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 1 hour ago, gurujuan said: It is, on paper, but for all this creativity we have in the squad, we don't score many goals? Is that because those players aren't doing their job, or are the strikers not prolific enough? its not like our strikers miss lots of easy shots so probably the former Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 3 hours ago, soldierboyblue said: I would put Abdi in the hole play Dave Jones as the holding player and slot Reach in at LM and Ross Wallace/Bannan on the right, but would play more of a diamond formation, allowing the Full Backs to bomb on. the hole .....is that the hole paul maclaren used to disappear down back in the noughties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said: well that is silly to suggest you wouldn't play him even if he's better than the others. Its October, a while before we can get a better fb Is it? Did we buy him to play RB? What does that do for Hunt and Palmer if we drop them for a midfielder? Does he want to play RB? Will he went to stay with us if we make him play where he doesn't want to play? Will we get the best out of him doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kagoshimaowl Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 10 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said: If their best position is already taken they can't play there can they? Doesnt mean you play someone out of position. Lee is the best midfielder at the club. That means he plays cm. I don't whether Abdi cost 10million or a packet of walkers, he stays on the bench until injury or loss of form. It's his job to prove how good he is when he comes off the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 23 minutes ago, billyblack said: Is it? Did we buy him to play RB? What does that do for Hunt and Palmer if we drop them for a midfielder? Does he want to play RB? Will he went to stay with us if we make him play where he doesn't want to play? Will we get the best out of him doing that? Abdi has played full back at a much higher level than those two and I wouldn't give a damn if it hurt their feelings anyway. Best team should be selected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 15 minutes ago, Kagoshimaowl said: Doesnt mean you play someone out of position. Lee is the best midfielder at the club. That means he plays cm. I don't whether Abdi cost 10million or a packet of walkers, he stays on the bench until injury or loss of form. It's his job to prove how good he is when he comes off the bench. He can move from RB to CM if needed in a match still. I don't think your argument is logical, don't you want the strongest team out there? If Abdi is the best RB, and it's a choice between him on the bench or at RB, why on earth would he not be selected? Look at Liverpool, Milner isn't usually a left back, but he's the best player for left back there right now, so he plays there. If it's good enough for Klopp and Liverpool it's good enough for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 14 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: He can move from RB to CM if needed in a match still. I don't think your argument is logical, don't you want the strongest team out there? If Abdi is the best RB, and it's a choice between him on the bench or at RB, why on earth would he not be selected? Look at Liverpool, Milner isn't usually a left back, but he's the best player for left back there right now, so he plays there. If it's good enough for Klopp and Liverpool it's good enough for us. klopp's no fool and thinks milner is his best left back so plays him there ........i dont think carlos is a fool either and if he thought abdi was his best right back he'd play him there but he doesnt does he ,so whats that telling us?..... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1963owl Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 22 minutes ago, torryowl said: klopp's no fool and thinks milner is his best left back so plays him there ........i dont think carlos is a fool either and if he thought abdi was his best right back he'd play him there but he doesnt does he ,so whats that telling us?..... . that he should listen to ellis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earlsfieldowl Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) 13 hours ago, Andoverowl said: So why did we sign him then? In light of how we are set up, play and the way he has been used so far, that has started to become an increasingly pertinent question..also, who signed him..was it CC or did it come from higher up? Bottom line, it hasn't worked so far and its a hefty chunk of money sitting on the sidelines. Either one party of the other will have to make a decision on how best to move on at some stage. Also people suggesting him for RB is ludicrous, another position he is not cut out for...he is a CM who helped Watford get promoted - next people will suggest he plays in goal. Edited October 21, 2016 by Earlsfieldowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 40 minutes ago, Earlsfieldowl said: In light of how we are set up, play and the way he has been used so far, that has started to become an increasingly pertinent question..also, who signed him..was it CC or did it come from higher up? Bottom line, it hasn't worked so far and its a hefty chunk of money sitting on the sidelines. Either one party of the other will have to make a decision on how best to move on at some stage. Also people suggesting him for RB is ludicrous, another position he is not cut out for...he is a CM who helped Watford get promoted - next people will suggest he plays in goal. Seemed to do a lot of damage for Watford in a more advanced position, really hope it works out for him as he is obviously quality as his cv shows he's been there and done it as far as getting promoted from the championship is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swfcjack27 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 This obsession with moving our midfielders to full back is becoming quite unhealthy now. Kieran Lee is the best midfielder in the division for me and Almen Abdi is technically fantastic, just needs a run of games. Palmer is doing a fine job at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spineynorman78 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 21 hours ago, torryowl said: the most integral part of our midfield and you want him to play full back .....who would you have replace him as our box to box player ? Kieren Westwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 15 hours ago, torryowl said: klopp's no fool and thinks milner is his best left back so plays him there ........i dont think carlos is a fool either and if he thought abdi was his best right back he'd play him there but he doesnt does he ,so whats that telling us?..... . he's played a full season at rb in the premier league. Would hunt and Palmer be able to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 38 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: he's played a full season at rb in the premier league. Would hunt and Palmer be able to do that? lets hope we find out next season ...........i know nothing about abdi until we signed him i'd never heard of him but if you say he's a top notch right back it makes you wonder why carlos doesnt play him there .....perhaps carlos is a fool after all if he's trying to turn him into a midfielder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 hour ago, torryowl said: lets hope we find out next season ...........i know nothing about abdi until we signed him i'd never heard of him but if you say he's a top notch right back it makes you wonder why carlos doesnt play him there .....perhaps carlos is a fool after all if he's trying to turn him into a midfielder He's not trying to turn him into a midfielder, he is one. However, he has played at RB for Watford - I'm unsure exactly how many games he played there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 19 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said: He can move from RB to CM if needed in a match still. I don't think your argument is logical, don't you want the strongest team out there? If Abdi is the best RB, and it's a choice between him on the bench or at RB, why on earth would he not be selected? Look at Liverpool, Milner isn't usually a left back, but he's the best player for left back there right now, so he plays there. If it's good enough for Klopp and Liverpool it's good enough for us. Perhaps he likes playing left back. He played there in his early days I think. The point is if a player doesn't like playing in that position the you won't get the best out of them. Irrespective if he is a professional or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 19 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Abdi has played full back at a much higher level than those two and I wouldn't give a damn if it hurt their feelings anyway. Best team should be selected. How many times did he play full back then? Every player database I have checked says he is a midfielder. Not one of them mentions a full back. Anyone could play full back as indeed they could any other position. Doesn't mean they are good at it. I'm sure if he was a sparkling full back then the manager would pick him there. I'm sure you know best though eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Skyline said: He's not trying to turn him into a midfielder, he is one. However, he has played at RB for Watford - I'm unsure exactly how many games he played there. so confusing ....ellis says he's a right back your telling me he's midfielder and carlos thinks he's a left winger ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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