[swfc 4 lyfe]

On some Burnley forums i have seen that they think Grant will be no2 to Jenson, Brian Laws said (about Jenson) 'It's his shirt to lose'. This would just be a waste of Grants talent and a bad decision by him to leave us.

[Manchester_Owl]

swfc 4 lyfe, on 31 July 2010 - 01:10 AM, said:

On some Burnley forums i have seen that they think Grant will be no2 to Jenson, Brian Laws said (about Jenson) 'It's his shirt to lose'. This would just be a waste of Grants talent and a bad decision by him to leave us.

He didn't really have a choice.

Board were determine to sell him, unfortunately it does not appear that they played the system of getting a bidding war with Bristol City WBA and Celtic.

Could have really taken the piss and get about 2.7 mill for him with a bit a grit.

[domSWFC]

He may be back up to Jensen, but I doubt it because I think Grant is the better keeper in my opinion. I wish Grant the best, he was brilliant for us. Don't think I have been let down by many of his performances, if any.

Good Luck Lee

[Wath-owl]

I don't think this really means anything, just textbook manager talk for not going and pissing off your veteran players for no reason.

Laws has seen plenty of Grant and plenty of Jensen to know exactly what he's doing with his keeper situation (one would hope for Burnley's sake)

[Tudders]

He keeps Jensen happy short term but laws knows that grant will be first choice soon enough.Poor performance or injury to Jensen and he will put grant in and that'll be the end of his stint on the bench.Grant knows he just has to bide his time,he's not daft.

[HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU]

Tudders, on 31 July 2010 - 03:22 AM, said:

He keeps Jensen happy short term but laws knows that grant will be first choice soon enough.Poor performance or injury to Jensen and he will put grant in and that'll be the end of his stint on the bench.Grant knows he just has to bide his time,he's not daft.

This.

[madeinsheffield]

it was a bad move for him form the start, dont worry about him anymore he is not part of our club. It his own fault

[darra]

Tudders, on 31 July 2010 - 03:22 AM, said:

He keeps Jensen happy short term but laws knows that grant will be first choice soon enough.Poor performance or injury to Jensen and he will put grant in and that'll be the end of his stint on the bench.Grant knows he just has to bide his time,he's not daft.

Bet that's what Bob Bolder thought when he left us for Liverpool

[Buxtonian]

Think the time has come to delete Grant from our thoughts and posts.
Face up to the fact HE'S GONE. Whilst being a Grant fan last season I could not care if he's No.1 for Manure or No.8 choice for real Sociadad now.

[Baggiehy]

Manchester_Owl, on 31 July 2010 - 01:17 AM, said:

He didn't really have a choice.

Board were determine to sell him, unfortunately it does not appear that they played the system of getting a bidding war with Bristol City WBA and Celtic.

Could have really taken the piss and get about 2.7 mill for him with a bit a grit.

No disrespect meant here, but, there's no way you would've have got almost £3 million cause Bristol were going after David James and we went after Boaz Myhill both of whom are proven Prem goalies. The rumoured fee for Myhill was £1.5 million and he stands a chance of pushing Carson for his place. Something that would've been unlikely had we signed Grant

[darra]

Manchester_Owl, on 31 July 2010 - 01:17 AM, said:

He didn't really have a choice.

Board were determine to sell him, unfortunately it does not appear that they played the system of getting a bidding war with Bristol City WBA and Celtic.

Could have really taken the piss and get about 2.7 mill for him with a bit a grit.

IMO we got for Grant just about what he was worth,on a good day with the wind behind us we might have pushed it to £1.2 million.

[i used to be sc_owl]

darra, on 31 July 2010 - 12:38 PM, said:

IMO we got for Grant just about what he was worth,on a good day with the wind behind us we might have pushed it to £1.2 million.

How much did we get in the end?

I've heard figures ranging from £500,000 to £1,000,000.

[darra]

i used to be sc_owl, on 31 July 2010 - 01:44 PM, said:

How much did we get in the end?

I've heard figures ranging from £500,000 to £1,000,000.

I heard / read a million

[i used to be sc_owl]

darra, on 31 July 2010 - 01:48 PM, said:

I heard / read a million

Fair enough!

If that was the figure then it's a reasonable amount all things considered.

[Manchester_Owl]

Baggiehy, on 31 July 2010 - 12:31 PM, said:

No disrespect meant here, but, there's no way you would've have got almost £3 million cause Bristol were going after David James and we went after Boaz Myhill both of whom are proven Prem goalies. The rumoured fee for Myhill was £1.5 million and he stands a chance of pushing Carson for his place. Something that would've been unlikely had we signed Grant

No disrespect taken.

With the right advertisement and playing the system I believe we would have sold him for more money (no one can say what amount) but we did not encourage a bidding war. The first thing I would have done was get on the phone to the respective clubs, (our board may have done this , I don't know) and drummed up interest.

Don't forget Bristol would be paying Grant for less than James on a weekly basis and IMO a much better investment.

Grant has at lease 6 years in him, James doesn't.

[Manchester_Owl]

darra, on 31 July 2010 - 12:38 PM, said:

IMO we got for Grant just about what he was worth,on a good day with the wind behind us we might have pushed it to £1.2 million.

Grant aside, in the last 15 years can you tell me a player we have sold for the right amount?

I think we have been played far too long. 2 mill + would have been about right, me thinks.

[Baggiehy]

Manchester_Owl, on 31 July 2010 - 02:05 PM, said:

No disrespect taken.

With the right advertisement and playing the system I believe we would have sold him for more money (no one can say what amount) but we did not encourage a bidding war. The first thing I would have done was get on the phone to the respective clubs, (our board may have done this , I don't know) and drummed up interest.

Don't forget Bristol would be paying Grant for less than James on a weekly basis and IMO a much better investment.

Grant has at lease 6 years in him, James doesn't.

I think I misexplained my point. Carson was our record signing for a Goalie £2.7 million Ex-England No. 1 ex-Villa Premiership experience. Boaz Myhill started at Villa went through all 4 divisions with Hull Premiership experience. He is more than capable of challanging Carson for his No. 1 place. Hull are rumoured to have accepted £1.5 million for him. With all due respect to Lee Grant, he hasn't got that type of experience. If we had signed him it would've been for cover he wouldn't challenged Carson for his place. There wouldn't have been a bidding war because in order for that to happen you've got have other clubs willing to bid. As for Bristol City the Championship this season is going weaker than it has been for years, what with the money problems at both Portsmouth and Hull. I can see the gamble of signing James as they were pushing for the playoffs last season, Its a one year deal and shows intention of pushing for automatic promotion and being such a short term deal if they don't get it fine they just someone else next summer

[scram]

As a CCC keeper then Jensen is fine - he got exposed in the premier as many keepers do

Grant hasn't gone there to be second fiddle though and will be first choice the minute the Beast gives an excuse to drop him - in fact i expect Grant to start the season as first choice tbh

[Manchester_Owl]

Baggiehy, on 31 July 2010 - 03:40 PM, said:

I think I misexplained my point. Carson was our record signing for a Goalie £2.7 million Ex-England No. 1 ex-Villa Premiership experience. Boaz Myhill started at Villa went through all 4 divisions with Hull Premiership experience. He is more than capable of challanging Carson for his No. 1 place. Hull are rumoured to have accepted £1.5 million for him. With all due respect to Lee Grant, he hasn't got that type of experience. If we had signed him it would've been for cover he wouldn't challenged Carson for his place. There wouldn't have been a bidding war because in order for that to happen you've got have other clubs willing to bid. As for Bristol City the Championship this season is going weaker than it has been for years, what with the money problems at both Portsmouth and Hull. I can see the gamble of signing James as they were pushing for the playoffs last season, Its a one year deal and shows intention of pushing for automatic promotion and being such a short term deal if they don't get it fine they just someone else next summer

I have seen both Grant and Carson play and agree that Carson is the superior keeper. However that's not the point.

For a bidding war you must have at least 2 clubs coming in for him, Burnley and Bristol city. I don't think James is a good buy as you are making him out to be, Grant in my opinion is the far better choice when you add up age, costs, future and ability. Keepers don't get you promoted, they save you points, if Bristol have a shite defence, James will still concede.

Now whether the likes of WBA and Celtic would have entered into a bidding war for Grant is a different matter, I personally think Celtic would have.

Bristol City and Burnley on the other hand definitely should have had the board of SWFC played the situation to their advantage.

Also like you say, Hull have money concerns, they may have sold him at an undervalue.

[southportdc]

I reckon old Brian might have seen a bit more of both of them than us, so mayyyybe he knows what he's doing

oh Brian Laws? Forget the above then.

[rob chester]

Grant will be No 1 and soon but for me he seems a tad disappointed with the move he had to go because off our financial woes but for me he feels underwhelmed at where he has ended up it is'nt as if Burnley are a big club in the Championship and for me they will not return to the top flight.

[Baggiehy]

Manchester_Owl, on 01 August 2010 - 01:05 AM, said:

I have seen both Grant and Carson play and agree that Carson is the superior keeper. However that's not the point.

For a bidding war you must have at least 2 clubs coming in for him, Burnley and Bristol city. I don't think James is a good buy as you are making him out to be, Grant in my opinion is the far better choice when you add up age, costs, future and ability. Keepers don't get you promoted, they save you points, if Bristol have a shite defence, James will still concede.

Now whether the likes of WBA and Celtic would have entered into a bidding war for Grant is a different matter, I personally think Celtic would have.

Bristol City and Burnley on the other hand definitely should have had the board of SWFC played the situation to their advantage.

Also like you say, Hull have money concerns, they may have sold him at an undervalue.

Good Morning, Peace said a while ago that he'd sanction £1.5 million for a goalkeeper, so, we probably did :biggrin: The thing is Bristol City weren't that bad 7 points off the play off with a -9 GD. I have a theoretical situation for you if you wouldn't mind considering it? Let's just say that the premiership finished as did with Portsmouth & Hull in a dire place moneywise. In the Championship, Sheffield Wednesday had Bristol City's run and finished just outside the playoffs, but, are in need of a new goalie. WBA have relegated to League 1. You're the Chairman/manager of Wednesday, I'm the Chairman/manager of WBA. The Championship that is about to start is going the most wide open as the parachute Payments for 2 of the prem relegated clubs will be used to stave off bankruptcy. You've looked at goalies and have interest in the WBA goalie who shows promise and at least one other club is interested. But, I as WBA chairman have put £3 million price tag on him. Then James becomes available on Free a but (and this is PURELY rhetorical) wants a 1 year contract worth £1-1.5 million. question is do you bid 3 million on the promising youngster who will on a multi-year contract but brings no added benefits. Or, James who is short term but who brings media interest into club, proves to your fans that you're pushing for promotion this year and is the type of signing that is likely will bring in increased Season ticket sales. Who would you choose?

[Manchester_Owl]

Baggiehy, on 01 August 2010 - 11:49 AM, said:

Good Morning, Peace said a while ago that he'd sanction £1.5 million for a goalkeeper, so, we probably did :biggrin: The thing is Bristol City weren't that bad 7 points off the play off with a -9 GD. I have a theoretical situation for you if you wouldn't mind considering it? Let's just say that the premiership finished as did with Portsmouth & Hull in a dire place moneywise. In the Championship, Sheffield Wednesday had Bristol City's run and finished just outside the playoffs, but, are in need of a new goalie. WBA have relegated to League 1. You're the Chairman/manager of Wednesday, I'm the Chairman/manager of WBA. The Championship that is about to start is going the most wide open as the parachute Payments for 2 of the prem relegated clubs will be used to stave off bankruptcy. You've looked at goalies and have interest in the WBA goalie who shows promise and at least one other club is interested. But, I as WBA chairman have put £3 million price tag on him. Then James becomes available on Free a but (and this is PURELY rhetorical) wants a 1 year contract worth £1-1.5 million. question is do you bid 3 million on the promising youngster who will on a multi-year contract but brings no added benefits. Or, James who is short term but who brings media interest into club, proves to your fans that you're pushing for promotion this year and is the type of signing that is likely will bring in increased Season ticket sales. Who would you choose?

I would try and get the promising young goal keeper for as cheap as possible.

I never said the board should have held out for 3mil I said they should have "helped" create a bidding war with the respective clubs.

[Baggiehy]

Manchester_Owl, on 01 August 2010 - 07:44 PM, said:

I would try and get the promising young goal keeper for as cheap as possible.

I never said the board should have held out for 3mil I said they should have "helped" create a bidding war with the respective clubs.

The £3 million was just a rhetorical figure for the sake of discussion and I didn't mean to imply that you had said that and it was by no means a flame. It is interesting that you'd go for youngster. Personally, I think I would do what Bristol have done and gamble for a year on James because I think he'd be good for another 7 points at least., which on this year's form would put them playoffs. It will interesting to see if in reality Bristol's Season tickets sale go up because of it

[Ridgey The Owl]

grant is hands down better than jensen and thats a fact