Andrew_Owl Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 So the other team don't walk straight through us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1867Heaven Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Yeah fine if that player is decent- like Hutch or Melo. But when you start picking inferior players just to fit a system I don't really get it. Lopez and McGugan must be gutted at how things are panning out. Lopez has been injured and only just come back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsidney Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I don't get the sympathy for McGugan, or any other players. They're clearly not performing to standard in training. Not necessarily true. By that logic lee isn't good enough cos he couldn't get a look in when DJ wouldn't pick him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camffiti Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Sod the defensive midfielder, defending set pieces properly is a big priority . Good point This has been apparent for a few months now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PremierEngravedGifts Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 To balance our attacking stye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_ Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Not necessarily true. By that logic lee isn't good enough cos he couldn't get a look in when DJ wouldn't pick him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls2k Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Yeah fine if that player is decent- like Hutch or Melo. But when you start picking inferior players just to fit a system I don't really get it. Lopez and McGugan must be gutted at how things are panning out. Lopez is coming back from injury and I think he has a big part to play this season. CC has quickly learned that LM can't play as the number 10 or carry out his defensive responsibilities successfully on a regular basis. The 'sympathy' for LM from owls fans is strange to say the least. It is clear that the CC believes in this system and one defeat in fourteen isn't a bad return... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls2k Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Would like to see Lopez when anyone is out Semedo has been a good servant but always said he's a league 1 player 2 games aside Semedo has been pretty decent in this league for 3 seasons. He is a victim of our progression more than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since59owe Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 The majority of teams set up with a Guard dog sat in front of the back four these days. Its not a new idea. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 We coceded both goals from corners, both headers, so how can Semedo be at fault for that?.Hutch is best we have ib the def m/f role, but with his injury and discipline record I can see Semedo not being far behind hutch in league appearances this season.:-). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 How on earth the op can't see the value in a defensive midfielder is beyond me. Sam Hutchinson has been one of our top performers this season and he, believe it or not, is a defensive/holding midfielder. Lopez and McGugan, for me, would be too lightweight, regardless of their talent. Away from home in particular you need a bit of insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daavies; Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 We've got a right gem in Hutch, it's just taken Semedo to play 2 games in a row to see how much he brings to our team. His energy, pace and ability to pass the ball is a different class to most midfielders we've got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Sod the defensive midfielder, defending set pieces properly is a bigger priority . it's certainly as big a 'concern'... a number of our 'old favourites' will have to fall from 'grace' as the team morphs from 'championship survivors' to 'championship promotion contenders', and onto 'title contenders'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEdwards Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 In all honesty I would play palmer in the middle before Semedo. Palmer has always wanted to play there and should be able to do a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 How on earth the op can't see the value in a defensive midfielder is beyond me. Sam Hutchinson has been one of our top performers this season and he, believe it or not, is a defensive/holding midfielder. Lopez and McGugan, for me, would be too lightweight, regardless of their talent. Away from home in particular you need a bit of insurance. There will be home games this year when the opponents come for a point or nick a breakaway goal. Then there is sense in playing a more attacking team. Even Brighton barely tried to cross the hallway line, so (in hindsight) Hutch was unnecessary. There will be several home games where 2 centre backs and the holding midfielder would be marking nobody, so a more creative midfielder would be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel Fessi Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) It's hard to play Lee in a midfield 2 unless he's with a CDM, he's not a typical box to box midfielder more of a creative attacking type - just the same as McGugan + Lopez. Given the way we play, especially in this division most good attacking teams commit bodies forward...you're just more exposed without a holding player protecting the back 4, no reason to not have one. Look at all the top top EU teams they all play with holding midfielders, a CDM, Busquets, Matic, Coquelin, Fernandinho, Xabi Alonso, Kroos.. I think it always makes sense if you have a player like Hutchinson that can stop play very well, reads the game and wins the ball back to send others players back on the attack. I would consider not playing a CDM perhaps at home games when we're having more of the ball, but other than that unless we desperately needed to score, a player like Hutchinson is a great asset in any side - no coincidence we've conceded every game he hasn't played this season. Edited November 29, 2015 by Del_Liles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I honestly feel a lot of people don't understand the role of a 'defensive' midfielder. To be honest, calling it a deep-lying midfielder is more accurate It's not just about flying into challenges and / or getting blocks in, it's a critical position in starting attacking moves Yes, it provides additional insurance with the fact there's an extra body in there, but just by holding shape, great anticipation and awareness this player could go through the whole game without needed to make a tackle What is critical, is the ability to retain possession, the vision to pick a pass and the bravery to hold on to the ball when there are no available options. This is why Semedo is struggling in this role. He isn't the defensive midfielder alongside Lee anymore, he's the deep-lying one Had Lopez been fit for the last two games, he would have been the ideal replacement for Hutchinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Most teams have a defensive midfielder. Carlos sees them in training everyday ffs. Perhaps he's worried about how open we'd be with McGugan and Lopez. The former isn't exactly well known for his tremendous workrate. Pretty much this. Neither of them have the required work rate. We play the pressing game and I can't see either chasing ppl down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 The argument I am making (which certain posters will predictably ignore) is that we should not be stuck on the idea of a defensive midfielder when our favourable choices are not available. Semedo is sub standard. He shouldn't be playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Well then we need to get a better back up holding midfielder. Shoehorning McGugan and/or Lopez into a position they are not use to isn't going to help anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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