Academy Departures

[Ronnie Starling]

Ronnie, I heard exactly the same thing from a UEFA B GK coach that  I know well, one of the young keepers down there pays him for weekly one 2 one sessions as the amount of dedicated GK coaching he gets from the club is nowhere near enough for what they should be getting. It's all changed in the last couple of years.

Unbelievable isnt it that a kid has to pay for additional coaching when you think he would be getting the best available. I know some Sunday league teams that get better coaching. Surely the academy manager must look at the coaching plans and allocate the necessary coach and resources to undertake the session. Its criminal for the younger keepers to miss out on specialist coaching when they are at such a crucial stage of their development in learning the basics.

[brownowl91]

Unbelievable isnt it that a kid has to pay for additional coaching when you think he would be getting the best available. I know some Sunday league teams that get better coaching. Surely the academy manager must look at the coaching plans and allocate the necessary coach and resources to undertake the session. Its criminal for the younger keepers to miss out on specialist coaching when they are at such a crucial stage of their development in learning the basics.

They aren't??

[dfoster]

Well they must be doing something right as Wildsmith and Dawson are both around the England youth set up

[Ronnie Starling]

They aren't??

I was informed that some weeks they will get an hour and some weeks none. Its extremely rare that they will get two hours.

[Guest Charlton]

The one person they don't want to lose is Kevin Fogg. He has been back and forth between us and SUFC in recent years.

He is a quality Coach and a good guy too.

The Goalkeeper Coach for the youngsters is Brian Peck who also used to be at SUFC.

I understand that he is one of the most qualified Coaches in the Country, and is great with the kids.

If you look after your Coaches they don't want to leave!

[Ronnie Starling]

The one person they don't want to lose is Kevin Fogg. He has been back and forth between us and SUFC in recent years.

He is a quality Coach and a good guy too.

The Goalkeeper Coach for the youngsters is Brian Peck who also used to be at SUFC.

I understand that he is one of the most qualified Coaches in the Country, and is great with the kids.

If you look after your Coaches they don't want to leave!

Hmm Brian Peck . Isn't Leanne Hall at Wednesday?

[Stockyowl]

Only going on what I've been told from a very close friend. Weaver works with the 18's-21's and Brian Peck and Leanne Hall work with the kids but they're not getting the hours they should.

Edited September 3, 2015 by Stockyowl

[scram]

It's quite difficult for the keepers in the 9-16 age groups to get the specialist coaching due to the total number of hours in the week not being that high generally - the eppp demands up to 12 hours coaching for u16 (really, our authoriities are THAT f*cking stupid!) - but in practice not many (if any!) clubs hit that amount of hours - and i know several TOP clubs have point blank refused to even attempt to comply with such f*ckwittery

 

Also not all academies provide p/t time goalkeeping coaches for enough sessions - there isn't a requirement for Cat 2 academies to have a full time GK coach for the 9-16s and i don't know of a club that has one

 

In the professional development phase there is a full time GK coach (ours is Nicky Weaver) and the GK's will get regular specialist coaching

 

The coaching syllabus doesn't specify how much time players should get for individual position-specific coaching - just that "adequate" provision be made

 

As ever, it's input:output - and being as we have a hopeless coach development programme in this country it's difficult to produce players

 

It's the system that is failing and i feel for some talented coaches who labour under mountains of paperwork and tick-box exercises and whatever players we do get through in this country are despite the system - not because of it

[Captain Sl-OWL-ly]

It's quite difficult for the keepers in the 9-16 age groups to get the specialist coaching due to the total number of hours in the week not being that high generally - the eppp demands up to 12 hours coaching for u16 (really, our authoriities are THAT f*cking stupid!) - but in practice not many (if any!) clubs hit that amount of hours - and i know several TOP clubs have point blank refused to even attempt to comply with such f*ckwittery

Also not all academies provide p/t time goalkeeping coaches for enough sessions - there isn't a requirement for Cat 2 academies to have a full time GK coach for the 9-16s and i don't know of a club that has one

In the professional development phase there is a full time GK coach (ours is Nicky Weaver) and the GK's will get regular specialist coaching

The coaching syllabus doesn't specify how much time players should get for individual position-specific coaching - just that "adequate" provision be made

As ever, it's input:output - and being as we have a hopeless coach development programme in this country it's difficult to produce players

It's the system that is failing and i feel for some talented coaches who labour under mountains of paperwork and tick-box exercises and whatever players we do get through in this country are despite the system - not because of it

I know we've had our differences but I think you are spot on with this, question is, how do we change it?

[Ronnie Starling]

It's quite difficult for the keepers in the 9-16 age groups to get the specialist coaching due to the total number of hours in the week not being that high generally - the eppp demands up to 12 hours coaching for u16 (really, our authoriities are THAT f*cking stupid!) - but in practice not many (if any!) clubs hit that amount of hours - and i know several TOP clubs have point blank refused to even attempt to comply with such f*ckwittery

 

Also not all academies provide p/t time goalkeeping coaches for enough sessions - there isn't a requirement for Cat 2 academies to have a full time GK coach for the 9-16s and i don't know of a club that has one

 

In the professional development phase there is a full time GK coach (ours is Nicky Weaver) and the GK's will get regular specialist coaching

 

The coaching syllabus doesn't specify how much time players should get for individual position-specific coaching - just that "adequate" provision be made

 

As ever, it's input:output - and being as we have a hopeless coach development programme in this country it's difficult to produce players

 

It's the system that is failing and i feel for some talented coaches who labour under mountains of paperwork and tick-box exercises and whatever players we do get through in this country are despite the system - not because of it

Scram you probably know more than most about the academy system but speaking to various people Wednesday have failed their young keepers in recent years. Other clubs in the area haven't had the same problems in providing an adequate amount of specialist coaching for the first hour of a training session or had a specialist coach watching games on a Sunday morning at home and away. In fact at some games Wednesday struggled to have two coaches at each game. It seems Wednesday have spent most of their academy goalkeeping budget on Weaver who then has no or minimal contact time with the younger keepers.

 

Goalkeeping is probably the most specialised position in a team and the FA should make sure that adequate coaching is provided and not let clubs get away with neglecting this duty otherwise talented kids will have their confidence shot through no fault of their own. Academy coaches especially the full time ones seem to collect coaching badges so why can't they take up the slack? I would guess that their ego's wont allow them to do so.

[Swiss Toni]

We always seem to have promising GKs but nothing much else.