ViolaOwls Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 anyone that thinks mattock is a worthy defender for a promotion challenge is completely deluded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 The first benefit of having a new benefactor is that we are in the rare position of being able to bring in a player first and then lose a player. Rather than the other away around as it seems to have been for so many seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) anyone that thinks mattock is a worthy defender for a promotion challenge is completely deluded So please would you like to explain how only 2 sides in the Championship have conceded less? You can't. Edited April 16, 2015 by Woodie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamnich Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 nowt wrong with Mattock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkmus Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I doubt we can bring in 10+ new players and expect anything to happen next year so... Kirkland - 1 Year, but not sure he will stay Buxton - Offer 1 year deal Mattock - Offer 1 year deal Loovens - Offer 1 year deal Semedo - Offer 1 year deal Maguire - Offer 1 year deal Coke - Release McCabe - Release Madine - Release Zayette - Offer 1 year deal Maghoma - Offer 1 year deal Lee - Offer 2 year deal Corry - Release Floro - Release Kelhar - ? So... GK - Westwood, Kirkland, Wildsmith (loan) RB - Vermijl / BuxtonCB - Lees, ZayatteCB - Loovens, NEWLB - NEW, MattockRM - NEW, MaguireCM - NEW (McGugan), NEW (lower leagues), MaghomaCM - Mello, Semedo, LeeLM - NEW, HelenCF - NEW, LaveryCF - Nuhiu, Bus, May But the 5+ new players have to be of a lot better quality. We could also risk a bit on a couple of lower league players to see if they can make it and fill out the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Just to clarify what I meant. I'm not a huge believer in wholesale changes. I think they can often lead to as much disruption as anything even if the quality of player goes up slightly. What excites me isn't the fact that we're going to be showing players the door. Rather that we are in a position to be able to add to our squad and hopefully give us a better strength in depth which is something that has let us down when Injuries are picked up for example or suspensions kick in. Rather than show any of these lot the door (though I accept some will move on) I'm excited by the fact that many of these players, who have shown they are capable of doing a reasonable job in the division will make excellent back up should we strengthen the squad and hopefully we'll have better competition for places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Stuff next summer, we'll be seeing big signings this summer. I have it on high authority that Att is building our squad on FIFA as we speak. He'll then show his ideal team to his Dad and bobs yer uncle we have ourselves a squad. Att's favourite player is only Will Keane though. I wish he liked McGugan more.... I wish he liked Aguero more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingOwl Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I wish he liked Aguero more! I do hope that DC is one of those Dads who spoils his children rotten. I hope Att is the apple of his fathers eye & wants for nothing! We could end up with a reyt squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Give Lee at least a 2 year deal. Possibly even 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martynware Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 SG said the club would wait whilst we are mathematically safe, so who would you keep? For me, and correct me if the list below is wrong or incomplete. Kirkland - Offer 1 Year deal - though I think he will leave Buxton - Release, been a great servant and a good player - but too many injuries for me. Mattock - Offer 1 year deal, but hope we bring in better in the summer. Loovens - Offer 2 year deal Semedo - Offer 1 year deal, though we need better to compete for the top 6 Maguire - Release - not good enough Coke - Release, League 1 at best McCabe - Release, a right waste of a wage Madine - Release, get him as far away from S6 as we can Zayette - Offer 1 year deal as back up Maghoma - Release, League 2 standard and workrate Lee - Offer 2 year deal as a squad player Corry - Release, another waste of a shirt Floro - Release, 2 years and not anywhere near the 1st team still Kelhar - Release, injured since he arrived Not sure If I missed anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martynware Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Kirkland - 1year Buxton - Release Mattock - Byebye Loovens - Keep - 1 year Semedo - Keep - 1 year Maguire - Keep - 2 year Coke - Release McCabe - Release Madine - Release Zayatte - 1year Maghoma - Release Lee - Keep - 2year Corry - Release Floro - Release Kelhar - 1year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Keep Mattock Zayatte Loovens Lee rest can go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViolaOwls Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I can explain easily. Lees,loovens and a unbelievable goal keeper. palmer for the first third, and then for the few games until he got injured. Mattock or any of the left backs have been great going forward but very very week in defending. Mattock gets turned inside out most weeks. luckily we have 2/3 great centre backs and a class keeper. So thats how I can say no to mattock. Pretty simple for me. Helan and delina can play there as squad players but we need a better left back if we want to push on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 1 year deals for Kirkland, Semedo, Loovens, Buxton and Lee. Just for the sake they are undoubtably championship players and during a transitional season we can't just change 20 players we have got to keep some. 2 year deal for Mattock, whatever your opinion he's been a big part of our unbelievable defence this season and at 24 with a lot of experience I would think its a no brainer. Release. Maguire, Maghoma, Coke, Zayatte, McCabe, Corry. Too many question marks about these players, I don't think with any of these id really think they could easily be replaced. Maguire and Maghoma have failed miserably as wingers and have created very little. Coke has in my opinion offered little in 4 years apart from the goal away at Brighton as for Zayatte I would just expect he could easily be replace, roger johnson for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee A Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Kirkland - Release Buxton - Release unfortunately, head has to rule over heart on this one Mattock - Keep and try to get rid of Helan, then have Mattock as back up/competition to a new, quality full back. Loovens - Keep Semedo - Keep Maguire - Release if we're serious about progressing Coke - Release McCabe - Release Madine - Release Zayette - Keep for 1 year but we need another CB as he and Loovens aren't the most reliable for fitness Maghoma - Release Lee - Keep Corry - Release Floro - Release Kelhar - Release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieB Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I'd keep Loovens - 1 year Semedo - 1 year Lee - 2 year Maguire - 2 year Zayette - 1 year Rest can go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViolaOwls Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I get what your saying with the good defence but mattock is a real weak link for it, lets look at better and we have plenty of contracted cover there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 This is what we'll be left with if all the out of contract and loan players go. Westwood, Wildsmith, Dawson Palmer, vermijl Lee's, Dielna Helan Melo, hutchinson Bus, lavery, may, nuhiu Absolutely no way that we won't retain at least 5 or 6 for continuity and squad size. Mass overhauls never work well instantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee A Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I get what your saying with the good defence but mattock is a real weak link for it, lets look at better and we have plenty of contracted cover there They're all a bit shybo at LB, I just think Mattock is the best of the bunch, so he'd be the player I'd like to stay as a squad option Dielna does very little for me and with the greatest respect I just can't wait for Helan to leave the club We do need a bit of quality in there but unfortunately I can't see it being an area we pay much attention to in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViolaOwls Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Above I get you pal. I think helan hasn't found his place yet, delina I think will be sold on this summer, but if not defending wise I don't think mattock is any better. So its got to be move on for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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